Edited out emoticon in Crabby thread

arbilad · Head Chef

Edited out emoticon in Crabby thread

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

You rock, Arbi!

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Was it the "h" word emoticon? I missed the post... just so the newer people might know, you might want to say which emoticon it was... (some are "more" offended than others)

arbilad · Head Chef

Poncho used the buggering icon. Visually, it may not be entirely obvious what it's referring to, but I'd just as soon we avoid even the appearance of evil in this forum.
I have no doubt that she used it in an innocent way. But I don't approve of that emoticon whether or not it is used innocently.

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

No matter what it's called, it always looks like "bite me" to me. And I thought it was the "hump" emoticon that you got on coco for. But it may have been both.

arbilad · Head Chef

It could have been the hump emoticon. My memory isn't perfect. But whether I'm correct or not on that part, the point stands. It's simply better not to use those emoticons.
And you wonderfully illustrate, Bok, that different people can get different meanings from that emoticon. I'm not saying in the slightest that Poncho intended to convey anything even close to that meaning. But it's better to avoid even the appearance of evil. For instance, if I wanted to talk about female dogs, it would be wise of me to not title the thread "bitches", even though it's a totally innocent word when used in that context.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

This is not a helpful comment. I just wish there was a way to edit the names of the emoticons, because there are a couple I would use if they were named differently.

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

Any programers in the group that want to create our OWN SPECIAL group of emoticons...?

arbilad · Head Chef

The forum software makes it very straightforward to add emoticons. All I need is an image file and a word to use as a shortcut. For instance, for

the shortcut is : biggrin :
The problem is that the standard library includes a lot of emoticons that I like. They make it all or nothing. I suppose that I could just copy over the ones that are not objectionable, but that would be time consuming. And I'm lazy.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I want the headbanging and the hailing and the shrugging emoticons from over the river...

And it was the hump (sorry, Euph) emoticon I used. Very innocently.... like "know" your wife.

I still don't know which the "buggering" one is...

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

So, could we make a new name for some of the emoticons where only the current name is objectionable by tossing out the whole lot and starting over? And you said that task would be time consuming for you, could someone else do it? (Without being a big pain in the butt for you anyway?)

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

hic- just substitute mormon slang for them, in your head.

arbilad · Head Chef

It's not really possible for anyone other than the board owner - me - to do it. I'd need to transfer my magic powers to someone else.
You're right, though; there are certain emoticons that would be cool to use if the shortcut for them were different.

arbilad · Head Chef

For everyone's reference, here is the emoticon I edited out of Poncho's post. I figure it's allowable to show it, once, in a moderation thread

To "bugger" is to engage in anal sex as the active partner. The word has been used, among other places, to describe what male teachers have on occassion done with students in all boys schools.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Huh. Never even noticed that one before. And learned a new word today. Thanks, arbi.

--- I mean, bleh

arbilad · Head Chef

If you had ever read fiction by William F. Buckley, you would have known the word. Coco, you're such an innocent

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

So, not that I'm an emoticon voyeur or anything, but I can't see them on this board. Other boards, no problem. This board - all I see is a little box with a red square in it and the name of the emoticon like 'nod.gif'.

It's probably some windows permission setting on my end - does anyone know off the top of their head what the fix would be?

LM

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Instead of hitting "Post Quick Reply" hit "Go Advanced" and then ... POOF! There they are!

See, I'm not so innocent.

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

This is what I see:

-- Edited by LoudmouthMormon at 14:20, 2007-09-25

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Uhh... okay, this one's clearly over my head. Basically I just email, google stuff and come here.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

Why don't we just make it a general policy then, that we're going to edit out those two emoticons, and perhaps we send the offender a PM explaining that the use of the icon, or the meaning of the word Buggered is continued overly crass for our messageboard, that way we don't have to have a discussion of certain abominable acts every few months.

Well... I mean besides all the politics we discuss... :)

--Ray

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

Cocobeem wrote:
I mean,

You know... I had kind of avoided learning "exactly" what it meant... I knew it was "BAD"... I need to go wash my brain out with soap now... ashamed ashamed

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

Isn't that the british meaning for bugger? Cuz my mom called me a "little bugger" my whole childhood and I know for certain that she didn't mean it in a nasty way.

My daughter complains often that her brother is "bugging her". Perhaps I should give him a whipping?

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Some of us who are fairly familiar with the British meaning might still find that emoticon & it's name to be offensive. Personally, I would prefer not to use it. When I hear someone use the term, I don't neccessarily think they are meaning anything nasty, but knowing the name of that emoticon and seeing it is another matter.

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Ok, now I'm confused. I am understanding this thread to mean that there are 2 emoticons we cannot use on this board because typing in the command includes words that are offensive. Well, there are several other emoticons used quite frequently that have offensive words. Can you just supply a visual of the emoticons that we should not use? Put in the read only file thingy so we can know what's ok and what's not.

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

That sounds like a good idea... I sure wish there was a way to edit the acronyms of some of those emoticons... I don't use some for which the acronyms are TOO apparent... I like the guy that hits his forehead... BUT I want the emoticons to have acronyms or names that I am not embarrassed by... because I type the :acronym/name: So I am using this guy

and this guy

quite a bit...

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I'm with bok- I never thought the word bug or little bugger was anything but a benign alternative to something worse... but, if there's Brits around... we best LOOK OUT!

Roper · Senior Bucketkeeper

"The real traditions of the British Navy are rum, buggery, and the lash" - Winston Churchill.

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

Ew.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I'll take the rum. (I mean, if I was like forced at gunpoint to pick one.)

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

Oh Coco...

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Served up in a Black Bottom pie, if you please.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

I'd pick rum too. But I'm an addict, so that's not even a hard choice.

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

Ros · Senior Member

o....kay.

I thought that particular greamlin was one smiley sneaking up on another and scaring them. As this is a common occurance in our household, I would have used that icon without another thought.

Now you know why I rarely use the little smileys - I can't take the pressure.

arbilad · Head Chef

There really aren't that many emoticons that I find actively offensive. Two that I can think of off the top of my head. The good news is that makes it easier to post a list of banned emoticons. Perhaps I'm overreacting. Many people had no idea what the emoticon meant. But there were those who did. I picked up the term from a William F. Buckley detective novel.
There are many terms which I find offensive that many people may not. For instance, it may seem, from it's frequent use in popular media, that the English exclamation "bloody", as in "bloody tourists", is relatively tame. It's considered very bad language in the UK, though. Plus, since it refers to the blood of Christ, I find it offensive. But someone not knowing the cultural context or background of the word may not have any problem with it.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Great, Arbi, now you've ruined that word for me.

arbilad · Head Chef

Hiccups, as long as I'm ruining previously innocent things for you, did you know that the child's game "ring around the rosy" has reference to the plague, measures people took against getting it, and everyone dieing in the end?
I'm full of helpful information like that.
And now I'm breaking my own rule and straying off the moderation subject. So, to bring it back in line, it is my feeling that, if we can avoid something at no great sacrifice to us that may cause great offense to someone else, then it is worth it.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Ha. I knew the ring around the rosy thing. And I agree that it's better to just simply avoid something that might offend.

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

So, arbi, the f*** word and using the name god doesn't offend you? I'm not trying to be snarky....I'm simply wanting to make sure I understand. Because there are some emoticons that use the abbreviations for these in the commands.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

beef- That would stand for "freakin" and "gosh". DERR! This is Mormon swearing, remember? rolleyes

arbilad · Head Chef

beefche wrote:

So, arbi, the f*** word and using the name god doesn't offend you? I'm not trying to be snarky....I'm simply wanting to make sure I understand. Because there are some emoticons that use the abbreviations for these in the commands.

Well, I did say two that I can think of off the top of my head. Those two also sound like they would be objectionable.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Thanks, beef. Why don't you go get offended somewhere else? And get back in yer house! furious

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

I don't use the ones that Beefie made reference to, because everytime I see the emoticon name, I hear the "real" words in my head. (Not Coco's mormon swear words.) That's the other reason I'd really like to rename them. But that's my own internal "badness" and it's mine to deal with.

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

beefche wrote:
So, arbi, the f*** word and using the name god doesn't offend you? I'm not trying to be snarky....I'm simply wanting to make sure I understand.

Well, I'm not Arbi, but I am a big buttinski, in addition to being a rabble-rouser and an occasional boat-rocker.

As a former inactive LDS who used to revel in his inactivity, and as the son of a non-religious WWII vet who saw combat, I've had such an early, lengthy, and complete immersion in these two words, that I seem to have become immune to being offended by hearing them. My dad was a master profaner, especially when I'd take the little cloth warning flag off the low-hanging ductwork in the basement, and he'd hit his head. He would turn the standard brief profaning the name of Christ into a two minute monologue, with 50% of the words being an exegesiacal expostulation on the title and roles of Christ, including how many crutches were involved. The other 50% seemed to be a ritual cleansing of the pain, in which he symbolically damned his pain to hell. The second part involved various descriptions of the hues and comfort factors found in hades, with "dark brown" and "miserable" seeming to be such good descriptors, that both terms would be used several times.

I used to take the warning flag down on purpose, just to be entertained. Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't enjoy hearing the name of deity taken in vain, it's just that I don't waste any time getting offended when I encounter it. In my opinion, the user of the terms are more harmed by their use than the hearer.

That said, I do understand that most genteel refined LDS souls are highly offended by either word, and you won't be seeing either of them coming from me any time soon.

LM

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

FTR, I'm not offended by any of the emoticons words. I don't use them, but that doesn't mean I don't hear them, read them, think them, etc. I'm just trying to figure out what's ok to use and what isn't. If we go by coco's euphemisms, then I can make some up for the ones that arbi first talked about. He talked about words that are generally offensive to LDS people. I'm not a general LDS person, so what he was saying was offensive honestly doesn't offend me. But, if I'm going to offend someone, I want to do it on purpose and not by using some dumb emoticon. I'm much more into blatant offenses.

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

LoudmouthMormon wrote:

beefche wrote:
So, arbi, the f*** word and using the name god doesn't offend you? I'm not trying to be snarky....I'm simply wanting to make sure I understand.
Well, I'm not Arbi, but I am a big buttinski, in addition to being a rabble-rouser and an occasional boat-rocker.

As a former inactive LDS who used to revel in his inactivity, and as the son of a non-religious WWII vet who saw combat, I've had such an early, lengthy, and complete immersion in these two words, that I seem to have become immune to being offended by hearing them. My dad was a master profaner, especially when I'd take the little cloth warning flag off the low-hanging ductwork in the basement, and he'd hit his head. He would turn the standard brief profaning the name of Christ into a two minute monologue, with 50% of the words being an exegesiacal expostulation on the title and roles of Christ, including how many crutches were involved. The other 50% seemed to be a ritual cleansing of the pain, in which he symbolically damned his pain to hell. The second part involved various descriptions of the hues and comfort factors found in hades, with "dark brown" and "miserable" seeming to be such good descriptors, that both terms would be used several times.

I used to take the warning flag down on purpose, just to be entertained. Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't enjoy hearing the name of deity taken in vain, it's just that I don't waste any time getting offended when I encounter it. In my opinion, the user of the terms are more harmed by their use than the hearer.

That said, I do understand that most genteel refined LDS souls are highly offended by either word, and you won't be seeing either of them coming from me any time soon.

LM

Is anyone else picturing Ralphie's dad, down in the basement swearing at the furnace?

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

Jen wrote:
Is anyone else picturing Ralphie's dad, down in the basement swearing at the furnace?

By the way, I was shocked to play that show last Christmas with the captions turned on. It always sounded like garbled fake-swearing, but the CC's almost made us turn the show off. It was kind of a downer with the kids in the room, even though they can't read yet.

And yes, there were definate similarities.

LM

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

So now that this batch of Bountifulites knows, the next time this happens... maybe we could discretely use a PM and even perhaps mods can link in the PM to this thread... if we have to... then we wouldn't have to continually discuss British anal sex, right?

--Ray

coolcucumbers · Senior Member

ray, too funny