Where were you and what were you doing when the planes struck? Do you think we're safer now, or could a similar attack happen again without notice? I slept through the first airplane strike. I was unemployed at the time and got up late. My wife called me from the soup kitchen where she was volunteering and let me know. At the soup kitchen all they could do for a while was stare at the television. I watched the news after my wife let me know, and I was horrified at the loss of life.
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams
I was up getting ready for an OB appoinment. I saw it on morning TV. I remember seeing it on at my OB office as well. It was hugely shocking and I sorta went into a pregnancy hormone aided depression afterwards.
And because life is funny that way, I have an OB appointment today, too.
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"The promptings of the Holy Ghost will always be sufficient for our needs if we keep to the covenant path. Our path is uphill most days, but the help we receive for the climb is literally divine." --Elaine S. Dalton
Well, we're glad that there's no correlation between the two. In other words, I don't think that we're likely to see a terrorist attack today just because you have an OB appointment. There was such a surge of patriotism afterwards, but now it seems there's less than there was before.
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams
My wife and I were at the senior MTC in Provo, preparing for our mission to Denmark. My first thought was that the attack was a false flag operation, just as I quickly as I had realized that the OKC bombing was.
I was pregnant with my first and I had slept in because it was one of my days off. I remember puttering around the house, showering, eating breakfast, then casually turning the TV on. I don't think I moved from that spot on the couch the whole day. Then the next day we wheeled the TV into the waiting room at work and watched all day. It was eerie, the phone didn't ring, people didn't come in. . . it was like the world just stopped and watched in horror.
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"There is order in the way the Lord reveals His will to mankind. . .we cannot receive revelation for someone else's stewardship." L. Tom Perry
After the first plane struck I took my car into the Honda Dealership in Orem to get the brakes repaired. I got home and the second plane had struck, which is when everyone realized it was not just a horrible accident. By the way, I think this was weighing heavily on the Honda Dealership's minds, because they did an awful repair job on my brakes.
I was on my way to work (the tallest building in Denver) when we heard about the first plane. I was at work when the 2nd plane hit. I called my wife and said "Turn on the TV, I'm ok, I'm coming home."
A little later, my boss sent me this. This is an eye witness account from someone who was in one of the buildings.
--------------------------- Dear All,
Now that I can begin to think clearly again, I would like to take the time to thank each and every one of you for your concern of my well-being. It was a very close call, and I am grateful to be alive.
As you probably all know by now, I narrowly escaped from the World Trade Center attack this past Tuesday, unlike the thousands who are still trapped beneath the rubble. At 8:48am on Tuesday morning, I was reading my email like I do every morning. I had just gotten off the phone with a traffic engineer at the Port Authority regarding a file that I had transmitted to him on the previous day. As I was finishing off my usual peanut butter and jelly sandwich, I heard a loud explosion, which was immediately followed by tremendous building sways and vibrations. As I was thrown out of my chair, I immediately thought that this was an earthquake, but still thinking rationally, I thought that it was abnormal since there are no earthquakes in NYC, especially of this magnitude. I remember thinking that the building felt like it was going to collapse from this initial explosion.
As I picked myself up and ran to the emergency staircase located in the core of the huge building, I saw through the east facing windows debris and fireballs falling from the top of the building. The building had stabilized by the time I reached the stairwell, and evacuation had commenced quickly but calmly. Not knowing the gravity of what was happening above us, people had started pouring into the stairwell from the hallways of the different floors. I saw a coworker from my floor (72nd), and we held and consoled each other.
There were no public announcements in the stairwell, but the evacuation seemed to be going smoothly, there were no more explosions as far as we could tell, no smoke coming up the stairwell, and the building had stopped swaying. We all felt like we were out of imminent danger. As we started to make it down the stairwell, people started chatting and gathering their composures. I heard some people who had been there in '93 telling others that this was a piece of cake since the stairwell was dark and full of smoke in '93. Others were joking about how Mr. Silverstein, who had just recently taken control of the complex, must be fuming at what was happening. A few moments passed and people began to receive messages over their pagers that a 767 had accidentally hit our building. There was no mention of a terrorist attack, and at no time was there any panic. Mobile phones were completely out in the core of the building due to its immenseness and the large distance from the core of the building to the exterior where signals were usually stronger. There was no smoke at all in the stairwell, but there was a strange peculiar smell, which I later remembered it smelling like how it does when one boards an aircraft. I later found out that this was jet fuel.
Soon we heard shouts from the people above us to keep to the right. I started seeing blind people, those with difficulty moving, asthmatics and injured people filing down to our left. People were burned so badly that I won't go into describing it. People kept filing down orderly and calmly, but stunned.
Sometime around the 30th or 40th floor, we passed the first firefighters coming up the stairs. They reassured people that we were safe and that we would all get out fine. By this point, they were already absolutely breathless, but still pushing upward, slowly and unyieldingly, one step at a time. I could only imagine how tired they were, carrying their axes, hoses and heavy outfits and climbing up all those stairs. Young men started offering the firemen to carry up their gear for a few flights, but they all refused. EACH and EVERY ONE of them. As I relive this moment over and over in my mind, I can't help but think that these courageous firemen already knew in their minds that they would not make it out of the building alive and that they didn't not want to endanger any more civilians and prevent one less person from making it to safety on the ground.
We continued down the stairwell, slowly and at times completely stalled. The smell of jet fuel had gotten so unbearable that people began covering their mouths and noses with anything that they could find - ties, shirts, handkerchiefs. Every few floors, emergency crew were passing out water and sodas from the vending machines that they had split open from the hallways. I had no idea how much time had passed by as I didn't have my mobile phone with me. Around the 20th or 15th floor, the emergency crew began diverting the people in our stairwell to a different stairwell. They led us out of our stairwell, across the hallway where I saw exhausted firemen and emergency crew sitting on the floor trying to catch their breaths. I began to think why? What's going on? This whole operation looked very confusing.
Nobody was giving us any indication as to what was going on. The wait in the hallway to get to the other staircase was excruciatingly long as we had to wait and merge with the people who were coming down the staircase into which we were filing. Why had they diverted us? As we started to get down to the lower floors, water started to pour down from behind us. I figured that a water pipe had burst or that it was water coming down from the rescue on the higher floors.
At this moment for the first time since the initial explosion, a sense of panic began to grip me. Only floor 7, then 6. A few more to go, and I would be free. I couldn't wait. It didn't matter that the water was ankle deep.
I was a few floors from the ground. Floor ,,,,4,,,,then all of a sudden, a loud boom, and the building began to shake unbearably again. People started falling down the stairwell as smoke started to rise from the bottom. The emergency lights flickered and then went out. The building was still shaking, and I could hear the steel buckling. Rescuers below us shouted for us to go back up the stairs. At this moment, I was choking and shaking tremendously. I managed to climb back up to the 6th or 7th floor and opened the door to that floor. The water had already risen to my ankles, and the floor was completely dark. A fireman led us with his flashlights to another staircase by the voices of another fireman who was guiding him through the darkness. We finally made it across that floor to the other stairwell where we were greeted by the other fireman and told to hold. The look on that fireman's face said it all. He said something under his lips to our fireman indicating the severity of the situation.
With the image of the firemen communicating to each other and hindsight, I believe that the fireman had whispered to the other one that Building Two had collapsed.
After a few minutes of huddling by the stairwell on the 6th floor, we were given the green light to run for our lives. I made it down six flights with a few other people and came out onto the mezzanine level of our building.
I don't know what I was expecting to see when I got out of the stairwell, but I was not ready for this apocalyptic scene. It was completely covered in white dust and smoke. My initial reaction was that I couldn't believe that one plane, albeit a 767, 80 floors above our head caused all this damage on the ground floor - inside. I covered my head and ran towards the huge opening in the north side of the building through which we were being evacuated. As I approached this threshold, the firemen yelled to us to get over to the wall of the building quickly. Debris was still raining from all sides of the building. We could see the other firefighters who were outside standing underneath the cantilevered parts of the black immigration building (4 and/or 5 WTC). At their cue, we ran from our building to the outside world and back underneath the immigration building. I was completely disoriented, coughing, and looking at the strange new landscape at the WTC plaza - burning trees, wreckage, fireballs and dust, nothing short of a nuclear winter. I climbed over huge pieces of steel wreckage and made my way through to the skybridge leading to 7 WTC (building 3 to collapse). From there, I descended the escalators down to the street level onto Vesey Street and trotted to safety onto Church Street. I immediately looked back and saw the charred remains of the upper floors of my building. Smoke filled the sky, and I began to have this eerie feeling that WTC 2 was not there. I couldn't be sure because of all the smoke that was billowing from my building blowing eastward. As I was trying to find WTC 2, I saw the unthinkable happen in front of my eyes. WTC 1 began to disintegrate from where it was burning. I turned around and ran.
I later learned that another 767 had hit WTC 2 around the floors where sit in my building. I later learned that WTC 2 had collapsed when we were still inside my building on the fourth floor when it began to shake for a second time. I later learned that I had been spared from the sight of people falling from the higher floors. I am grateful to be alive and uninjured and to be able to share this life-changing experience with you. And, I am so grateful for the courage of the firemen and policemen who gave up their lives to help us down the burning tower.
Sincerely,
Cary Sheih
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And I'd discuss the holy books with the learned men, seven hours every day. That would be the sweetest thing of all.
I was asleep and my wife had not gotten up yet. My mom called and said we needed to go watch the news without explaining. I worked that night and my area partner and I spent a lot of time staring at the empty skies.
In memory of the fallen. You will not be forgotten. Honor to my fallen brothers and sisters in uniform who gave all on that evil day. Honor to CW2 James and Captain Jim who fell in the aftermath. Hoo-ahh!!!
I was at work. They send people home. One of the people worked with me. She called my dad to come pick me up. One of my sister came picked me up. Because he was working.
Yes, Jen I do believe 911 was a false flag Op. My initial opinion was just that, an opinion, and based on my observations of photos of the OKC Murrah Bldg. and my personal involvement with and support of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, which produced irrefutable evidence of multiple charges and explosions to people who knew what they were looking at. But back to 911. I'm not saying that FedGov officials participated in the attack. But I believe certain elements in our FedGov knew it was coming and let it happen.
Since then, there is new evidence that, among several other things, explosive and/or thermal charges at the bases of the towers 47 central steel columns could have precipitated the controlled vertical collapse of the buildings, and still have been consistent with the legitimate failure of the upper floor trusses reacting to the sudden collapse of central support. Also one crew of first responders into the first tower reported that the lobby on the main floor appeared to have been the object of an explosive blastyet no signs of fire. On 9/11, two ABC reporters were filmed running away from the towers after seeing and hearing a ground floor explosion just prior to the collapse of the towers. There have also been reports of pools of molten metal at the base of these columns observed during debris removal. It is suspicious that fire fighters who had heard other explosions reported having been threatened to keep silent, and also that the tower debris were removed so quickly, precluding complete forensic testing of the failed structure. The same thing happened after the Oklahoma bombing, where there was also irrefutable evidence of multiple charges and explosions.
Other evidences of complicity include:
WTC 7 mysteriously collapsed in what appears to have been a controlled demolition.
The inexplicable stand down orders holding USAF interceptor aircraft on the ground that could have stopped Flight 175 heading for the second WTC strike and the Pentagon strike. AF interceptors which were launched did so painfully late and were not told to go buster (go to afterburner at supersonic speeds), IMO to make sure they wouldnt catch the Pentagon targeting aircraft on time.
Commercial airliners have 2 "black boxes", which have a history of a 95% survuval rate.
Black boxes", as I understand, are made of extremely strong and resilient materials and designed to withstand every conceivable possibility for destruction. More importantly, the material that holds the information will survive even if the black box is destroyed, which in itself is highly unlikely by design. Here is what I got from a friend with "connections": "These materials, high temperature nickel alloys, are some of the most indestructible materials known to manthey are marked with a stylus not so much different than that of our old 33 1/3 vinyl albums, but in reverse. The information is scribed onto this alloy along with timing "nicks" for time/date referencethe marked strip is rolled up into a continuous roll of high temperature alloy. The tight circular roll now resembles a solid. [It becomes] a solid piece of material that by design protects itself by only allowing the edges of the roll to be exposed to damage -- The data is safe in the center of the strip. So designed, the mass of the continuous rolled strip shields the whole from damage. So when the FBI tells us that the boxes were nearly destroyed -- you can think, This is possible... BUT, during the highly unlikely event of the box's near destruction, it is doing what it is designed to do -- the casing absorbs energy to protect the metal roll that by design is nearly indestructible by itself. So when flight recorders come up blank,...(censored)
BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones continues to investigate some of the more highly technical evidences of possible sabotage of the WTCs.
I had just dropped off my girl at Kindergarten and was coming up to the stoplight at Main St. I turned on the radio and they were talking about a plane crashing into one of the towers and it might have been intentional. I called MrCoco who was home (about 3 min. away) and told him, "Turn on the TV!!" He said, "What channel?" I said, "Doesn't matter!" We both watched the second plane hit live on TV. It was a surreal experience.
Jen- Does it bother you that we could have enemies to freedom that are "American"? I don't know what I believe about all the details of who knew what and when... but my nephew was with POTUS when this happened. He had the second highest level of clearance you can have. I will say it's hard for me to believe, with the immense intelligence and communications we have in place, that we did NOT see it coming. Nephew doesn't talk about it, of course - details, I mean. When you've had a quarter-million-dollar background check, I guess you learn to keep your mouth shut. Anyway, the belief that we have "internal" enemies, so to speak, has been the hardest idea for me to swallow. I tend to think because someone is "American" they must be a good guy... Just about every other country has sacrificed their own people at one time in history... why are we different?
Not getting on your case, Jen... just throwing out some of my own thoughts...
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I believe that we have enemies who are American. I just can't believe that right now, at this time, the corruption up high (which I believe exists to a degree) is so bad that this would not only be allowed, but orchestrated.
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I have been convinced for many years that we are faced with a conspiracy to create a single world government.
1.) Most Americans assume that nearly everyone contributing to the conspirators agenda would be privy to the whole agenda, 2.) They think that too many knowing people would make it impossible to keep the secret, 3.) In the case of LDS people, most believe that if the conspiracy were a serious threat, the Church General Authorities would tell us about it.
To Points 1 and 2, I can only suggest that almost everyone in high places does know there is a "power structure" above them they dare not challenge; they also know it isn't good for their job, advancement or health to ask too many questions. The treatment of many "whistleblowers" is only vaguely reported in the mainstream media. Rarely do people who have been on the inside go public with their observations. The late Rear Admiral Chester Ward, a member of the Council on Foreign Relatons for 16 years, and the well known late Professor of History Carroll Quigley are two notable exceptions; both wrote about the Council on Foreign Relations' agenda to create a single world government from their experiences and observations while on the "inside" with the CFR. Also, occasionally one of those still on the "inside" will make some revealing statement about the conspiracys agenda; revealing at least to those who recognize its significance. "Insiders" like both Presidents Bush, Bill Clinton, Colin Powell, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and Kofi Annan have all made statements that revealed not just their knowledge of, but also their participation in the conspiracy.
To Point 3, certain Church General Authorities did tell us about it. I well remember that Church General Authorities did warn us about a conspiracy to destroy our freedoms, not only in America, but in all nations. Presidents McKay, Clark, and Benson were especially outspoken about this threat. Other General Authorities in the past and prominent members of the Church also tried to warn us. Today, we only have certain scriptures, most notably 2 Nephi 26, Helaman 2,6,7,8, Ether 8, and Revelation 13, to continue the warnings.
I have compiled statements on this subject by a substantial number of people who's credibility ought to be pretty high among members of this forum. From Church leaders: President Ezra Taft Benson, President J. Reuben Clark, and Apostles Joseph Fielding Smith, Boyd K. Packer, and Bruce R. McConkie. From the hallowed halls of Congress, Ron Paul, Larry McDonald, John Rarick, and Barry Goldwater. From other elements of our FedGov, Norman Dodd, director of research for the Reece Committee that was commissioned to investigate tax-free foundations, and the above mentioned Admiral Chester Ward. And from the "inside", Dr. Bella Dodd, who had been for years a member of the National Committee of the U.S. Communist Party, former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, David Rockefeller Sr., and the above mentioned Professor Quigley.
Just from their statements alone one ought to be concerned about the conspiracy to create a world encompassing socialist dictatorship. It is probably the first "beast" mentioned in Revelation 13. That's my best guess.
"People who do not believe in conspiracy--at least on a broad scale, usually try to explain our "awful situation" in terms of mistakes, bad judgement, and attempts to cover for those blunders. But covering for blunders alone does not explain why high government officials keep making more mistakes in the same consistent direction (leftward) and why there are more and more new efforts to cover for new threats to our freedoms (whats left of them - but thats another discussion) . Why do our presumed national leaders never seem to learn from the blunders of the past? Why is it that the betrayals keep accelerating and getting broader? The more diverse the agencies involved and the more people that are brought into the net of betrayal, the less possible it is that they are all acting only to cover for mistakes. There has to be some other explanation that keeps generation after generation of government officials moving toward a single direction, increasing FedGov control over our lives and control by foreigners, especially the UN and even the EU and regional "trade agreements" on the American continents that have cost Americans business opportunities and jobs. And there must be some other explanation for the "no-win" wars America has gotten into in recent decades."
