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Romney Article


I sure hope he was just evading the topic and not making a statement of his belief, or lack of it.

http://www.abc4.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ff03ab09-a1bf-423d-8d0b-ed018d03bf31


SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - A comment by presidential hopeful Mitt Romney is raising some eyebrows here in Utah.

Romney was asked about God and,in essence, whether God speaks to him or to LDS Church leaders.

This interview between Romney and a Boston TV station aired in early December.

His comments about the LDS Church didn't cause too much of a ripple back east.

But here in Utah, they seem to raise questions about his view of how the LDS Church was founded.

In a lengthy interview with one of Boston's most prominent journalists, Mitt Romney was asked the following:

"Should God speak to you and ask you to do something that might be in conflict with your duties as president or should he speak to your Prophet who would speak to you - how would you make that decision, how would you handle that?

To which Romney responded: I don't recall God speaking to me. I don't know that he has spoken to anyone since Moses and the bush or perhaps some others."

But this answer appears to contradict one of the foundations of the LDS church.

In the Church's "First Vision," a young Joseph Smith is visited by God the Father and Jesus Christ.

Smith hears one of them say, This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

And if, as Romney suggests, that God hasn't spoken to anyone for thousands of years, then what happens to the LDS Church's belief in direct revelation from God to the Church's prophets?

Revelations such as the one in 1978 that blacks could hold the priesthood.

Contacted by ABC 4 News, Romney's campaign issued the following statement:

"Governor Romney is very proud of his faith and he endeavors to live by it.

We also asked the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for a comment about Romney's statement.

But the Church politely declined our request.

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As my Evangelical friends who support Romney say to their co-religionists who object to voting for him on religious grounds: we're electing a commander-in-chief, not a pastor-in-chief. It seems that this advice is just as good for Mormons as it is for Evangelicals.

-- Edited by Randy at 13:23, 2007-12-22

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Yes, but I too was bothered by his answer. It's not the answer he would give in gospel doctrine class or the talk he would have given in stake conference.

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Strangely enough, I'm more forgiving of this than other LDSs who have talked to me about it.  Perhaps because I do not expect as much of him as other LDSs.  But had he told it like it is, had he told about God and Christ speaking to Joseph Smith in the grove in Palmyra, NY, he would have been attacked unmercifully by those opposed to his candidacy.  But that comes with the job, both that of a president and that of a missionary.  Until recently I thought the real reason he was running in the first place was to promote the Church and the Gospel, and his candidacy was only the vehicle to accomplish this.  But perhaps his recent acceptance by the Council on Foreign Relations, as evidenced by its printing his article "Rising to a New Generation of Global Challenges" in its July/August 2007 issue of "Foreign Affairs", has caused him to focus more on the election than on promoting the Gospel.

For most US Presidents since Wilson, the road to the White House has passed thru the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), I believe the single organization with the most influence in Washington.  Most candidates seem to realize that they must gain acceptance at this citadel of the establishment if they are going to succeed.  Mitt Romney evidently subscribes to this view. And the reigning kingpins at the CFR seem poised to accept him, as evidenced by the publication of his article in Foreign Affairs.

-- Edited by lundbaek at 19:20, 2007-12-22

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Does Huckabee's team come up with these questions or what?

His answer doesn't bother me. "What if God told you to kill yourself? Would you do it?" I mean, come on.

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Cocobeem,

That's what I was thinking too. This is a "gotcha" question pure and simple, just like the "have you stopped beating your wife?" question.

The question bothers me a lot more than the answer. No one of any consequence seriously believes that the LDS church will interfere with the government. Even the most vociferous critics of the church know that the church stays out of politics.

"What if" scenarios are deadly territory for any candidate, and most of them are smart enough to know how to dismiss them. So Mitt Romney might not be as skilled a politician as I had thought.

Mitt Romney has been attacked by the Democratic Party more than any other candidate. The Democrats would rather run against Huckabee, so he's getting a pass at the moment. Surprisingly, the MSM have attacked Huckabee somewhat, although they are obviously rooting for the Democrats, but have less discipline than the party, liking to stir things up as much as they can to increase their bottom line.

Randy

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most hypotheticals give the press too much advantage.

Q. "If you had to choose between killing your family or killing the entire population of philledelphia, because of an evil terrorist plot what would you choose?"

A. "I suppose my family."

Next day on the front page of the NY Times it reads, "Candidate wants to kill his family!"

--Ray

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Maybe that is something that is wrong with the system of politics. In our family we ask ourself "what if", and "worse case scenario" questions all the time.

If dad lost his job... could we still afford this house payment on a much reduced salary?

If mom goes in the hospital are there contingency plans to pay for that, so that we don't use the savings set aside to get Son2 on a mission and keep him there?

If Son1 tries to yoyo back home with a tag-along bride do we have enough locks to keep them out??? (that worse case example is just for DaKnife giggle.gif)

Why couldn't Mitt just say: "Frankly there are no scenarios in which my church WOULD ask me to do something that is against my duties as president, because the office should be above those things too... Since I find it HIGHLY unlikely that God would ask something like that of me personally either, let's just stick with what we know, instead of that particular what if."

Here are a few what if questions I would like to hear answered by all the candidates:

What if you had to be alone in an office daily with a young attractive assistant would you consider having an affair? If no, why not?

What if Congress never gets behind your policies as president, how are you going to effect the changes you submit as needing to be made in this country.

What if you are asked by your cabinet to lie to the American people about political strategies, because they are unpopular approaches but you all feel they are the right approach, (not relating to national security) would you do it, or only tell half truths to save your popular standing?

And my all time favorite worst case scenario presidential candidate question:

You are not elected president, what are you going to do as a private citizen to illicit change in this country for the better???

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2012 is a long way off yet, but the recent GOP troubles and scandals seem to have left only two prominent 2012 presidential prospects, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and 2008 presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, unblemished in the eyes of most Republican voters.  I'm not keen on either of them, and hope the GOP will field another true believer in government in compliance with the US Constitution.  



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Yeah, I don't have a lot of hopes for the Republicans fielding a good candidate, especially since so many call for the Republicans to field a candidate more liberal than McCain was.

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The Republican party is dead.

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Unfortunately, too few freedom-minded people realize that the Republican Party is dead as far as their interests are conceerned.  I participated in a "Tea Party" in Gilbert, AZ this morning, and noted Republicans trying real hard to rally people to rebuilding the party from the inside.  I set up a booth for promoting the Constitution Party and gathering signatures on a petition to get the CP on the ballot in 2010.  I was overwhelmed at the number of people who just came up and asked to sign the petition.  It was encouraging especially because in AZ the Arizona Republican Assembly, a branch of the Republican Party, is working to change it from the inside.  3 years ago we were in SLC, and I noted that in all Utah over 22,000 voters cast ballots for one or more Constitution Party candidates.  Here in AZ freedom-minded voters are splilt up among the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, and the Arizona Republican Assembly.    

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Reforming the Republican party from the inside seems to me more likely to be successful than coming in from the outside of the established system.

Ron Paul thought the same thing when he ran as a Republican after his attempts in the Libertarian Party (which was after he tried changing the system as a Republican, hmm...)

I guess this is where I disagree with the Constitution Party the most. I haven't given up on the grassroots taking back the Republican Party.

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Well, all I can say is that you have your work cut out for you. The leadership of the party is interested in reforming you, not in having you reform it. They actively suppressed Ron Paul, and did not even allow his delegates to vote for him at the convention. In other words, they're doing their best to make it impossible for you to reform them, while at the same time trying to get you to accept more and more liberal candidates.

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