Attack the competition!

hiddentreasuredotws · Senior Member

Attack the competition!

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

That really sure does sound re-assuring and above all else, extremely "patriotic", to be referring to one's supporters as "revolutionaries" and an "army"...

God help us if we ever end up with someone like Ron Paul as president... we truly will be ripe for destruction if we ever put a reactionary isolationist in control...

With all due respect to you who prefer him, that series of over-the-top comments by the fringe's poster boy candidate has cemented in my mind the true danger he represents, and not the "danger" he imagines himself to be.

Thank goodness that it is doubtful he will win any state's primary, let alone place a distant 3rd or 4th...

And I am sorry if this comment seems harsh. I'm just stating it as I see it. Nothing more than you guys have.

hiddentreasuredotws · Senior Member

Cat Herder wrote:

That really sure does sound re-assuring and above all else, extremely "patriotic", to be referring to one's supporters as "revolutionaries" and an "army"...

God help us if we ever end up with someone like Ron Paul as president... we truly will be ripe for destruction if we ever put a reactionary isolationist in control...

With all due respect to you who prefer him, that series of over-the-top comments by the fringe's poster boy candidate has cemented in my mind the true danger he represents, and not the "danger" he imagines himself to be.

Thank goodness that it is doubtful he will win any state's primary, let alone place a distant 3rd or 4th...

And I am sorry if this comment seems harsh. I'm just stating it as I see it. Nothing more than you guys have.

Actually its seems not harsh but simplistic. I liked Glen Beck overall until his similiar shallow attacks on free speech by people who speak political things that he is unwilling to accept. Nothing can be much more dangerous than to catagorize and label people as dangerous simply because you do not agree with them. Only you can choose between the Red and Blue Pill.

-- Edited by hiddentreasuredotws at 20:50, 2007-12-07

Duke of Mirth · Profuse Pontificator

Eee Gad! A reference to the Matrix?

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

It's funny, any staunch Ron Paul supporters I've come across are more than eager to attack every candidate that isn't Ron Paul.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

Most LDS Ron Paul supporters are inclined to attack Mitt Romney simply because so many LDSs are hooked on Mitt because he is LDS and think he can do no wrong because he is active LDS and/or he will be guided by the Lord.

Unfortunately, those Mormons Just Dont Get It. I'm talking about the fine men and women who can be called Latter day Saints. On the whole, we share the same values and principles. We are pro-life; we stand for marriage as God defined it; we believe children should have the right to pray in school; and in theory we may even believe in limited government.

Unfortunately, it has been the blind support of Mormons for LDS-R candidates that has contributed to a glaring and perhaps fatal defect in our government: the Mormons cannot, or will not, honestly face the real danger confronting these United States. Nor did they do so when warned of them from the pulpit of their Salt Lake City Tabernacle years ago. They seem currently devoid of genuine sagacity. In spite of their church being a world-wide church now, they fail to understand the issues that are critical to our survival.

Mormons seem anxious to be accepted at the king's table, perhaps largely a result of the church-growth movement and mega-church mentality. Their infatuation with growth and success has made them weak and vulnerable. They have shown that once you win the support of Mormons with rhetoric, you can get by with just about anything.

Mormons are horrible at holding their elected legislators and other government officials accountable. Mitt Romney is currently receiving support from most Mormons. Most seem to have forgotten or ignored his earlier and recent disdain for certain constitutional and moral principles, as reported in the media. They seem oblivious to the continued shredding of the US Constitution by Utah and other LDS congressmen, who seem to have little real loyalty to the U.S. Constitution or the principles of liberty.

And Mormons seem to be influenced by globalists and internationalists. For all their pro-life, pro-family, traditional-values, conservative talk, they continue to support, mostly in ignorance, the overall agenda of the globalists. And they just doesn't get it. They don't see it.

Let's have a reality check here. The globalist-handlers running things in Washington, D.C., for the most part, could not care less about abortion or gay marriage, one way or the other. They will gladly give their support to "pro-life" and "pro-family" candidates as quickly as they will to "pro-choice" or "pro-gay marriage" candidates. As long as the candidate will offer no resistance to their plans for global government, they could not care less about his or her position on social issues. And, once again, most Mormons just doesn't get it.

Somewhere down the line, church members have forgotten or never learned the importance of constitutional government. They have forgotten or never learned the principles of liberty. Right along with most other Americans, they have allowed The Bill of Rights to become an antiquated and incidental document with no importance whatsoever to them.

Mitt Romney both wrote for the Council on Foreign Relations and has numerous advisors who are CFR members, as do the other candidates, excepting Ron Paul. Independent-minded candidates such as Ron Paul are cast in terms such as "fringe," or "extremist," or "nutty." The same CFR elite that controls the Washington political establishment also controls the New York media and financial establishments. And they hate outsiders! Of course, outsiders are those who do not share the globalist, utopian, New World Order machinations of the CFR.

Until the American people begin to awaken to what is really going on, to their "awful situation", nothing will change. Absolutely nothing. As someone once said, "The height of absurdity is to continue to vote for the same thing and expect a different result."

Of the Presidential candidates in serious contention, Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, stands for change. Ron Paul alone, would truly obey his oath to the Constitution and would work to restore freedom and liberty to the American people. Ron Paul alone, would strive to kick the globalist elite out of power in Washington, D.C., and restore this country to constitutional governance. Dream on! Right along with other Americans, Mormons will continue to support establishment, CFR-backed, globalist candidates who will, in turn, continue to do the bidding of the international elite.

One would think that Mormons--more than anyone else--would understand the devilish nature of globalism. One would think that their study of the Scriptures would lead them to resist any attempts at building modern-day Towers of Babel. One would think that Mormons especially would love liberty enough to recognize its enemies. One would think that they would recognize that Washington, D.C. is a far greater threat to their freedom than either Baghdad or Tehran. But, alas, most Mormons, like most Americans, just don't get it.

When Mormons finally are awakened to their "awful situation", we can only hope and pray that they will be adequately prepared to participate in the restoration of constitutional government.

We "Romney bashers" do not dislike him. We simple are using him in trying to awaken other LDSs to his demonstrated disdain for certain important moral and constitutional principles that so many LDSs are willing to compromise or ignore just to get an LDS in the White House.

-- Edited by lundbaek at 14:36, 2007-12-10

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Is it just me or has anyone else felt an intense and pronounced jump the shark moment after reading hiddentreasure's and lundbaek's comments in this thread since Saturday?

I don't know if I should throw my head back and laugh at some of the assertions (as the native guides did in that hit movie George of The Jungle when the bad guy fell face first in a pile of elephant droppings), get righteously indignant at the insinuations made about those who are pro-Romney in any manner (after the manner of that former judge in Alabama who in protest to an unconstitutional order advocated unconstitutional civil disobedience in an attempt to force his viewpoint), or just stay patiently silent to avoid having foot in mouth disease...via my own foot or someone elses...

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

stay patiently silent to avoid having foot in mouth disease...via my own foot or someone elses...

Choose this... play it safe...

Duke of Mirth · Profuse Pontificator

lundbaek wrote:

Most LDS Ron Paul supporters are inclined to attack Mitt Romney simply because so many LDSs are hooked on Mitt because he is LDS and think he can do no wrong because he is active LDS and/or he will be guided by the Lord.

Imperical evidence to back that up? Or just anecdotal? So their beliefs must be completely invalid simply because they don't agree with you? It is blind support simply because you don't agree with them? Maybe, they actually do like Romney and agree with his positions on the issues.

Unfortunately, those Mormons Just Dont Get It. I'm talking about the fine men and women who can be called Latter day Saints. On the whole, we share the same values and principles. We are pro-life; we stand for marriage as God defined it; we believe children should have the right to pray in school; and in theory we may even believe in limited government.

Perhaps they just don't like Ron Paul and out of the remaining candidates Romney fits closest to what they believe.

Unfortunately, it has been the blind support of Mormons for LDS-R candidates that has contributed to a glaring and perhaps fatal defect in our government: the Mormons cannot, or will not, honestly face the real danger confronting these United States. Nor did they do so when warned of them from the pulpit of their Salt Lake City Tabernacle years ago. They seem currently devoid of genuine sagacity. In spite of their church being a world-wide church now, they fail to understand the issues that are critical to our survival.

Maybe they do understand but they just don't see the issue exactly like you do. I resent the assertion that because I do not bow down at the altar or Ron Paul I have somehow ignored the counsel of church leaders or don't see the "real danger" you refer to.

Mormons seem anxious to be accepted at the king's table, perhaps largely a result of the church-growth movement and mega-church mentality. Their infatuation with growth and success has made them weak and vulnerable. They have shown that once you win the support of Mormons with rhetoric, you can get by with just about anything.

Don't see it. Of course I live outside the zion belt. But I do admit being infatuated with the growth and success of spreading the gospel to every corner of the globe.

Mormons are horrible at holding their elected legislators and other government officials accountable. Mitt Romney is currently receiving support from most Mormons. Most seem to have forgotten or ignored his earlier and recent disdain for certain constitutional and moral principles, as reported in the media. They seem oblivious to the continued shredding of the US Constitution by Utah and other LDS congressmen, who seem to have little real loyalty to the U.S. Constitution or the principles of liberty.

Maybe they actually do believe in change and take Mitt at his word that he did change. Redemption and change are such foreign concepts in the church though so maybe they are just crazy. Also, I must be oblivious too because I haven't seen the constitution being shredded.

And Mormons seem to be influenced by globalists and internationalists. For all their pro-life, pro-family, traditional-values, conservative talk, they continue to support, mostly in ignorance, the overall agenda of the globalists. And they just doesn't get it. They don't see it.

Don't see it. Because someone support Romney he's supporting globalists and their overall agenda. I don't see how but hey, I'm the ignorant one not wanting to face the real danger.

Let's have a reality check here. The globalist-handlers running things in Washington, D.C., for the most part, could not care less about abortion or gay marriage, one way or the other. They will gladly give their support to "pro-life" and "pro-family" candidates as quickly as they will to "pro-choice" or "pro-gay marriage" candidates. As long as the candidate will offer no resistance to their plans for global government, they could not care less about his or her position on social issues. And, once again, most Mormons just doesn't get it.

I agree with that except the last part. I think they do get it. I think they see you folks as irrational alarmists screaming about reds in the attic at every opportunity that it comes across as irrational dribble that sort of blends into the background noise of alien abductions and masonic conspiracies. It's the Jew, no it's the catholics, no the Freemasons, no the illuminati who are running things in Washington. There are folks worried that the Mormons will be secrety running things next.

Somewhere down the line, church members have forgotten or never learned the importance of constitutional government. They have forgotten or never learned the principles of liberty. Right along with most other Americans, they have allowed The Bill of Rights to become an antiquated and incidental document with no importance whatsoever to them.

Because they don't fall in lock step with your view of the Constitution? Even the founding fathers didn't agree on everything in the Constitution or even the role and powers of government. I suppose if the strict constitutionalist had won out the Louisianna Purchase would never have happened and Alaska would be part of Russia still. Both acts were accused of being improper. So lets give Russia back Alaska at the price we paid and give the Louisianna territory back to France at the price Jefferson paid. I'm sure those two would be glad to take them off our hands.

Mitt Romney both wrote for the Council on Foreign Relations and has numerous advisors who are CFR members, as do the other candidates, excepting Ron Paul. Independent-minded candidates such as Ron Paul are cast in terms such as "fringe," or "extremist," or "nutty." The same CFR elite that controls the Washington political establishment also controls the New York media and financial establishments. And they hate outsiders! Of course, outsiders are those who do not share the globalist, utopian, New World Order machinations of the CFR.

Blah, blah, blah, they control the media, the police, and the schools just like Hitler did. To you Ron Paul is independent minded, to me he's a fringe, extremist, nut job. So am I just ignorant, intellectually lazy, or am I just being controlled?

Until the American people begin to awaken to what is really going on, to their "awful situation", nothing will change. Absolutely nothing. As someone once said, "The height of absurdity is to continue to vote for the same thing and expect a different result."

Ok so now I'm not awake. Rome is burning blah, blah, blah. Don't care anymore because I'm ignorant and asleep. Oh no, I'm awake now and see how awful the situation is, not.

Of the Presidential candidates in serious contention, Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, stands for change. Ron Paul alone, would truly obey his oath to the Constitution and would work to restore freedom and liberty to the American people. Ron Paul alone, would strive to kick the globalist elite out of power in Washington, D.C., and restore this country to constitutional governance. Dream on! Right along with other Americans, Mormons will continue to support establishment, CFR-backed, globalist candidates who will, in turn, continue to do the bidding of the international elite.

Yea, if Ron Paul gets elected, I'm not real sure I want to live under his version of Constitutional Governance. And tell me just how he would kick those globalist elite's out of Washington D.C. I don't think he's all too big a supporter of imminent domain so taking their property won't work. Hmmmm, maybe he'll send in his jack booted brown shirts to do it. Oh, no my bad, they're too busy blogging about how Glen Beck won't have Paul on his show and how it's part of a conspiracy to deny him the presidency.

One would think that Mormons--more than anyone else--would understand the devilish nature of globalism. One would think that their study of the Scriptures would lead them to resist any attempts at building modern-day Towers of Babel. One would think that Mormons especially would love liberty enough to recognize its enemies. One would think that they would recognize that Washington, D.C. is a far greater threat to their freedom than either Baghdad or Tehran. But, alas, most Mormons, like most Americans, just don't get it.

Hmmm, Hillary Care or Jihadist trying to kill us because we won't convert who have called for the deaths of Israel and America while continueing to enrich uranium while denying inspectors into their country. Yea, I can see where the convert or die goal of Tehran would be less threatening than Washington D.C. WHAT?

When Mormons finally are awakened to their "awful situation", we can only hope and pray that they will be adequately prepared to participate in the restoration of constitutional government.

And if they don't then the second coming will somehow not happen? Frankly, after that happens, I don't think I'm going to care anymore what happens to the constitutional government. I guess I can just sit that one out at that point.

We "Romney bashers" do not dislike him. We simple are using him in trying to awaken other LDSs to his demonstrated disdain for certain important moral and constitutional principles that so many LDSs are willing to compromise or ignore just to get an LDS in the White House.

What I am sick of is the constant drum beating that I am stupid, uniformed, uneducated, blind, asleep, etc by the Ron Paul drum beaters. Do you guys honestly believe that this tactic actually helps your cause? Because, honestly, you guys sound like wackos who build bunkers in the mountains while stockpiling arms to folks like me. I work with a non LDS guy and he's supporting Romney. I've not made a decision but I sure as heck know that it will not be Ron Paul. So what is my problem? Why can I not see the glaring light that you Paul supporters claim is there? Is it my ignorance, education, or that I'm not subject to some secret knowlege that only you folks have access to through your secret organization, oh wait my bad.

Is my co-worker suffering from some sort of dissasosiated Mormon dementia because he actually supports the guy. Maybe he's a closet mormon and part of some conspiracy to trick mormons into thinking there are non mormons who support Romney thus perpetuating the blind following of Romney by members of Zion.

I'm sick and tired of being made out to be somehow defective because I don't agree with you. I have relatives that are left wing libs who don't portray their opposition like you do. Could it be that people simply disagree with Ron Paul and his assessment of the state of things without having to be misguided, lazy, stupid, uneducated, blind, asleep, etc. It's insulting but frankly you don't probably care because in your religious zeal for Paul and his ideas any heresy must be out of ignorance because if we could only see the light we would come over to your side and be able to see things clearly. It can't actually be because there are others out there that look at the exact same world you do and draw a different conclusion, could it?

Pt314 · Senior Member

Duke of Mirth wrote:

lundbaek wrote:

Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

PollyAnna wrote:

stay patiently silent to avoid having foot in mouth disease...via my own foot or someone elses...

Choose this... play it safe...

I still like the idea of tossing my head back and laughing out loud... even if it isn't exactly a bad guy falling in pile of elephant poo moment...

N'Dugo: Bad guy falls in poop: Classic element of physical comedy. Now comes the part where we throw our heads back and laugh. Ready?
Guides: Ready!
[they all throw their heads back and laugh]

-- Edited by Cat Herder at 16:28, 2007-12-10

alabamabelle · Senior Member

Cat Herder wrote:
I don't know if I should throw my head back and laugh at some of the assertions (as the native guides did in that hit movie George of The Jungle when the bad guy fell face first in a pile of elephant droppings), get righteously indignant at the insinuations made about those who are pro-Romney in any manner (after the manner of that former judge in Alabama who in protest to an unconstitutional order advocated unconstitutional civil disobedience in an attempt to force his viewpoint), or just stay patiently silent to avoid having foot in mouth disease...via my own foot or someone elses...

the dude you are referencing is Judge Roy Moore. He was wrong, dead wrong, in what he chose to do. There are always constitutionally valid remedies to object to things that are not just or fair. That is not to say that they will always work out the way we want. Sometimes, we can only see OUR point of view. That doesn't make us wicked, just myopic.

In his (Moore's) case, there are people who, just as in this current election sabre rattling, believe that ANY AND ALL METHODS to get your dude in office, or to keep them there, are legit.

And that makes us no better than savages. When practiced by LDS members, that is priestcraft when positions of authority or opportunity are used to attempt to enforce their personal choice by the "sword" of bullying (boo hoo if that's offensive).

And on another note: I, too, resent the implication that because I refuse to bow down to a particular candidate just because someone else sees them as the second coming of righteousness in office (as THEY see it personally), or that I am stupid, deluded or otherwise rendered incapable of making a sentient choice simply because I don't yield to their superior wiz-dumb.

The very reason for a secret ballot is that our SACRED vote is a private choice for which we alone stand accountable.

and NO, I haven't selected a candidate for whom I will cast my ballot. I am still agonizing over the choices I have been offered. And to not vote at all is never an option. That is willing subjugation to the lowest common denominator.

Mahonri · Senior Bucketkeeper

Bravo Jason.

I've come to the conclusion that there are many LDS Democrats who all of a sudden have become Ron Paul supporters. I wonder why?

I will not write the rest of what I would like to because I really like a lot of you folks who support Ron Paul. .... knowing your online personalities to be honest, upright and forthcoming, for the life of me, it makes reason stare why you would support him.

arbilad · Head Chef

I've closed this thread because it passed the bounds of polite conversation long ago. Many of you have been acting in a rude manner unbecoming an adult.