England == the Isle of Dr. Moreau

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

England == the Isle of Dr. Moreau

arbilad · Head Chef

I think that this is immoral and totally unnecessary, given that they have experienced great success using adult stem cells, and so far none at all using embryonic stem cells.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

That's just creepy!

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

I see a Simpson's episode in this...

But, just think... the PETA people would be happy, because then we could stop mistreating cattle on dairy farms. It could end up being udderly wonderful in our attempt as mankind to be environmentally and karmic-ally conscious...

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

Cow people scare me.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

Hmmm Cow People. Tastes like Soylent Green.......Hmmmmmmmmm

Jeffery_LQ1W · Senior Member

LOL, very funny.

But an interesting question is raised by the article.

What are the distinctions between man and animal?

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

That was why I posted the article... because of the implications. I can see how certain secularists would use evidence gathered in this type of medical experimentation to justify all sorts of anti-god type arguments.

Will this sort of evidence be used against religious folk? Ultimately I see all physical evidence of our existence being easily explained away by sophisticated sophist's sophistry...

--Ray

Jeffery_LQ1W · Senior Member

God, by His nature is faith based, not secular. You cannot argue the existence of God beyond the ideal that there is something out that exists and you have faith in its existence. THe basic premise is faith.

So secularists can already make the argument. Physical evidence means little in the way of explaining faith.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

So where is the immorality in the science? What makes this experimentation immoral or even ethically questionable, when it is all just physical flesh? What godly laws are being tread upon?

--Ray

arbilad · Head Chef

rayb wrote:

So where is the immorality in the science? What makes this experimentation immoral or even ethically questionable, when it is all just physical flesh? What godly laws are being tread upon?

--Ray

That is an interesting question. I'm one of those rare christians who has no problem with cloning, for instance. Clone away! Make as many copies of yourself as you want. The Lord needs us to create bodies to send spirits to. It would be a great boon for childless couples. They could have a child that, at the very least, is biologically related to one of them.
But this is a different issue in my mind. They're creating this solely for medical experiments. My personal belief is that while an embryo may not be human at that stage, it can become human, so it should be treated with a certain sacredness, and not as some biological tinker toy.
They'll kill off these embryos at a few days age. Is that killing a human being? The church has never specified when life starts. But they forbid abortion at any stage. Granted, this embryo would be part cow, and that creates other questions.
If it were biologically possible for this to grow into a full term living creature (and I don't know) that would open up a whole mess of ethical questions. Does this creature have the same rights as a human? Is it ethical to bring something into the world that may have serious health problems because of your tinkering?
But then, I'm the type that's disturbed by any misuse of any human or part of a human. There was a show in Denver recently of human bodies donated for some kind of "art". They did strange things with these bodies, such as show them as if in the process of explosion. I don't know all the details, because I didn't go and see it. It was even seriously disturbing for me to overhear a coworker talking about it.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

If embryonic stemcells are absorbed into an older body, does that mean they are killed? What if there is some kind of new spirit aspect we don't know, like we become vampires to new life energy if we overutilize it... what if you become some horrible monster?!?!?

--Ray

Jeffery_LQ1W · Senior Member

rayb wrote:

So where is the immorality in the science? What makes this experimentation immoral or even ethically questionable, when it is all just physical flesh? What godly laws are being tread upon?

--Ray

So surgical transvestism is ok?

Jeffery_LQ1W · Senior Member

By the way, twins are just naturally occurring clones.

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

You mean identical twins, don't you Jeff?