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The Foley situation


What do you think the Republicans should do, given the recent revelations about Foley? I don't think that Hastert should necessarily resign, unless he was culpable. If a member of my ward were guilty of child abuse, I wouldn't expect the Bishop to resign from his calling because he should have caught it. Theoretically, at least, congress should be a place of legislation, not adult day care.
But, on the other side of the coin, I don't think that Republicans should try to sweep this under the rug or pretend that it didn't happen. We were unhappy with the leadership of the democratic party when they swept Clinton's indisgressions under the rug. The Republicans aren't morally superior if they then do the same thing to hold on to power.

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Only those who are guilty of the abuse of their office should surrender their office.  In this case, it sounds like it was just Foley.


I'm highly suspect of the timing of all this to begin with, not that I condone any sort of misconduct from any elected official, but beyond Foley's actions, nothing is more than an allegation.  And for the record, how about some of the morally questionable acts that certain members of the Democratic side have in their closets?  Shouldn't they feel shame and be put in the limelight because of it?  Let's see.  Hillary, you are no longer First Lady, can we now question you about your affair years ago and the "suicide" of your former law office partner?  Ted Kennedy, driven off any bridges lately?  Barney Frank.  No, you aren't a big purple dinosaur, but based on your "lifestyle", should we be concerned about any young male staffers you currently have or have had over the years?  I don't know many other names (and none in the House), but remember that lady who slapped the capital police officer and then tried to say that she was being harrassed because she was African-American?  That wasn't her first faux pas either, and she did lose her ability to retain her seat to her primary competitor just recently...



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If there was a cover up by the speaker then he should go.  If he didn't know the details as he currently claims then it would not be his fault.  I find it interesting that there was a congressman on the democratic side who a few years back had an actual physical relationship with a page and even after he was officially censured he didn't resign and was in fact reelected.  He even recieved a standing ovation from his democratic collegues in the house.  Sad.

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Republicans are not lining up to defend Foley, which is in sharp contrast to Democrats when one of them misbehave (quote below from Ann Coulter's column):

In 1983, Democratic congressman Gerry Studds was found to have sexually propositioned House pages and actually buggered a 17-year-old male page whom he took on a trip to Portugal. The 46-year-old Studds indignantly attacked those who criticized him for what he called a "mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults."


When the House censured Studds for his sex romp with a male page, Studds -- not one to be shy about presenting his backside to a large group of men -- defiantly turned his back on the House during the vote. He ran for re-election and was happily returned to office five more times by liberal Democratic voters in his Martha's Vineyard district. (They really liked his campaign slogan: "It's the outfit, stupid.")


Washington Post columnist Colman McCarthy referred to Studds' affair with a teenage page as "a brief consenting homosexual relationship" and denounced Studds' detractors for engaging in a "witch-hunt" against gays: "New England witch trials belong to the past, or so it is thought. This summer on Cape Cod, the reputation of Rep. Gerry Studds was burned at the stake by a large number of his constituents determined to torch the congressman for his private life."



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Republicans are held to a much higher standard than Democrats are.  I was going to say "As they should be" but I take that back, I think it is regrettable that Democrats are not expected also to live up to high standards.



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I am not defending Foley, who should have resigned in disgrace, I am wondering about the democrats though.


Gerry Studds of Mass was not only lewd, but slept with several 16 year page boys.  He was censured, but that was all, the dem's weren't in a dither and Studds went on for several more years before he retired.  One has to wonder at their actions and denials in those arenas.



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The democrat office holders are only reflecting the values of their constituents... hence, no wrong, no foul...


The republican office holders are supposed to be morally superior, so when one of them turns out to be a scum bag or perv or what have ya, well, that just goes to prove all people who hold to conservative values or republican political philosophy are really nothing more than hypocrits full of hate and anger and insidious conspiracies... 



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That makes sense, Cat Herder, but it rather falls apart when you consider the cases of Trent Lott and Robert Byrd.  Even though the common wisdom holds that the Democrats are the ones who care about black people, the Republicans drummed Trent Lott out of his leadership position for making a jovial comment of praise to a 100-year old man which, through a painstakingly logical process that Mr. Lott probably had not anticipated, ended up being an endorsement of segregation and Jim Crow laws.  And yet Robert Byrd, who once had a similar leadership position, was a former member of the KKK where he had been a leader.  The KKK was associated with lynchings, which I would venture to say is even worse than segregation and Jim Crow.  However, Democrat Byrd gets a free pass, while Republican Lott gets ejected from leadership.  Democrats do not punish the bad behavior of their members, even up to and including Edward Kennedy's actions at Chappaquiddik.

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Actually, Randy, that supports my little statement... Lott had to go to protect the integrity of everyone else... Byrd was part of a group that had no integrity and an office holder of a party with no... so... ahem  

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Does anyone find it highly suspicious that this news broke on the last day of the legislative session? The whisle-blowers had the emails/IM's since April, but sat on it until one month before the election. Give me a break.

Here is what Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has to say about the Foley scandal:

“Congress must not pass the buck on investigating this cover up. The children, their parents, the public, and our colleagues must be assured that such abhorrent behavior is not tolerated and will never happen again.”

Abhorrent behavior... let's see, that would be man/boy love right? Ironically, Nancy Pelosi marched mere steps behind Harry Hay (one of the leading advocates of MBL) in the 2001 Pride Parade in San Francisco. If MBL is so abhorrent, why didn't she protest his presence in that civic parade?



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Well, I think we all would be hard up to find enough members of the House and Senate to count on more than one hand that were not hypocritical in their ethics and morals, at least at face value.

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I'm not sure which bothers me more: republicans, if they did even a smattering of cover-up or democrats, withholding and then using at the precise moment for maximum political damage.

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This whole affair will only serve to bring the gay lifestyle to the forefront of our carnal securities, and will weaken all our spirits. Hooray for Babylon! Go Satan!


 


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The republicans strike back

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