For myself, I don't think it's good for me to drink cokes and stuff--not that I don't drink them some, but I am trying to quit. It's too expensive (compared to water, anyway) and just not really healthy for me.
It doesn't bother me if someone else drinks them--I'm just thinking about my own health and pocketbook.
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Chocolate has something called Theobromine, and only trace amounts of caffeine. It is possible that strains of cocao beans has no caffeine or varying amounts, depending upon where it's grown and so forth...
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WAGONMAN wrote: They have hot chocolate in the Bishop's Storehouse so apparently it must be ok to consume.
This is the same manner in which I answer people who believe that the Word of Wisdom is a vegetarian code. I have seen them serve meat in the MTC and temple in all sorts of seasons. They sure are getting those Elders ready to meet temptation by putting meat right under their nose, when they should all be vegetarians!
BTW, I don't mind vegetarians who aren't pushy about it. I've even been friends with a few. What I really get annoyed by is LDS who claim that they are more righteous than I am by following a vegetarian lifestyle.
BTW, Ray, wouldn't your polls be more appropriate in LDS Discussions? I can move them if you like.
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What I really get annoyed by is LDS who claim that they are more righteous than I am by following a vegetarian lifestyle.
And I get annoyed with LDS that claim they are more righteous for ANY reason! Thus far, my experience has been that pride is perhaps the most prevalent sin within this church. I pray I will not fall into that trap, and will always be humbled when/if I begin to think of myself as more righteous than my brethren!
As a tangent to this conversation, do you think it's okay to utilize for medical purposes things otherwise advised against in the WoW? For instance, is it okay to smoke pot if it has been medically prescribed?
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What I really get annoyed by is LDS who claim that they are more righteous than I am by following a vegetarian lifestyle.
And I get annoyed with LDS that claim they are more righteous for ANY reason! Thus far, my experience has been that pride is perhaps the most prevalent sin within this church. I pray I will not fall into that trap, and will always be humbled when/if I begin to think of myself as more righteous than my brethren!
As a tangent to this conversation, do you think it's okay to utilize for medical purposes things otherwise advised against in the WoW? For instance, is it okay to smoke pot if it has been medically prescribed?
I remember hearing a story about a Sunday School teacher who suggested to her class, in all seriousness, that they should pray and thank the Lord that we're not as prideful as those wicked Zoramites. I just thought it was funny that there are people who can be prideful about not being prideful.
I don't think that there is a problem (religiously, I can't say medically) if a doctor recommends that someone use a substance that has been banned by the WoW. But that's dangerous ground, I think. For instance, from the anecdotal evidence I've heard, it's not that hard to get a doctor to prescribe marijuana for you. Similarly, it'd probably not be hard to find a doctor who'd be willing to recommend coffee to you. I think actual cases where there is a legitimate need for an exception are very rare.
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In the words of one of the missionaries that gave me the discussions, "I'm proud to be humble!"
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Cat Herder wrote: This topic does not really relate to Church News, guys. Can we move this thread to the LDS Discussions group?
Moved
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams
What I really get annoyed by is LDS who claim that they are more righteous than I am by following a vegetarian lifestyle.
And I get annoyed with LDS that claim they are more righteous for ANY reason! Thus far, my experience has been that pride is perhaps the most prevalent sin within this church. I pray I will not fall into that trap, and will always be humbled when/if I begin to think of myself as more righteous than my brethren!
As a tangent to this conversation, do you think it's okay to utilize for medical purposes things otherwise advised against in the WoW? For instance, is it okay to smoke pot if it has been medically prescribed?
I remember hearing a story about a Sunday School teacher who suggested to her class, in all seriousness, that they should pray and thank the Lord that we're not as prideful as those wicked Zoramites. I just thought it was funny that there are people who can be prideful about not being prideful.
I don't think that there is a problem (religiously, I can't say medically) if a doctor recommends that someone use a substance that has been banned by the WoW. But that's dangerous ground, I think. For instance, from the anecdotal evidence I've heard, it's not that hard to get a doctor to prescribe marijuana for you. Similarly, it'd probably not be hard to find a doctor who'd be willing to recommend coffee to you. I think actual cases where there is a legitimate need for an exception are very rare.
Of course doctors used to recommend smoking to their patients, blood letting, leaches, beaver urine, etc. I remember hearing some old radio commercials for smokes where actual doctors were recommending the health benefits. Kind of like how some doctors say to drink green tea or a glass of wine because of all the good stuff in that. The knowlege of men changes but the Lords does not.
As for me, I don't drink soda. It has nothing to do with the WoW. I just don't like it. I usually drink water, juice, and milk but mostly water. When I was a kid I was "Out there a havin' fun, in the warm California Sun" and I would down a can of soda and still be thirsty so I pretty much abandoned them for water. Occassionally I can drink a root beer but the sodas just don't do it for me. Personal choice that has nothing to do with the WoW. I will also drink hot chocolate and the occassional 60 ounce Duff Beer. Just kidding about the Duff. I'm more of a Yeagermiester guy anyway.
There are always those that try to go beyond the mark. I have no problem if people want to eat healthy but to try and make others feel guilty because of their twisted interpretation of the scriptures is wrong. Of course those are the type of people I like to mess with. They are the type you invite over and show them your beer can collection in the garage. Of course you forget to mention that the previous owner of the house left them there!
As for me, I don't drink soda. It has nothing to do with the WoW. I just don't like it. I usually drink water, juice, and milk but mostly water. When I was a kid I was "Out there a havin' fun, in the warm California Sun" and I would down a can of soda and still be thirsty so I pretty much abandoned them for water.
I heard today on the radio that caffeine is a serious diuretic. Just drinking one cup of coffee, for instance, means that you need to drink 3 cups of water to make up for the water you lost due to caffeine. It's a similar effect with caffeinated sodas. She specifically used the sample of college students who down 10-14 cans of caffeinated soda a day, and they're still thirsty. They start to confuse the thirst for hunger, so they start eating a lot and getting fat. Alcohol has a similar diuretic effect. Anyway, caffeinated sodas may not be against the Word of Wisdom, but it certainly sounds like a good idea to avoid them.
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Caffeine is indeed a diuretic. Just as higher blood sugar levels act as a diuretic in diabetics. Since I am slightly diabetic, I try to only drink diet pop when I drink pop. And, I usually try to avoid caffeinated pop (unless I need to wake up at work or stay awake for driving) altogether.
If you want to test the caffiene thing, take notice of how much you go the next time after you drink a typical sized 16 or 20 oz bottle of caffeinated Coca Cola, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, or Dr. Pepper. I can usually expect a nice healthy bladder full within a couple hours, and I do make sure that I drink a lot more water when I do drink a caffeinated pop just so that I don't get dehydrated.
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Those diet sodas aren't all that good for you either. Nutrasweet, for instance, can break down into formaldehyde in your system. The more I hear, the more it sounds to me like water is the best way to go. Or, if you need something sugary, fruit juice.
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I don't think that there is a problem (religiously, I can't say medically) if a doctor recommends that someone use a substance that has been banned by the WoW. But that's dangerous ground, I think.
I have a buddy who used to be a B-52 pilot (he's LDS). He explained to me that on very long missions, like when they would leave the states, fly to Afghanistan and drop their bombs, then come back to base in the states (several aerial refuelings), that the flight doc would prescribe speed for the crew to help them stay alert for that long. He said he never took it. When I asked him how he stayed awake, he replied that he always took a copy of the Book of Mormon to read.
Interesting...that's what helps me to get to sleep sometimes.
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I avoid caffine, not because I think it's against the WoW, but because it really messes up my OCD and anxiety. (So does grapefruit juice, but thats because it disrupts my meds. :( )
Kind of like how some doctors say to drink green tea or a glass of wine because of all the good stuff in that. The knowlege of men changes but the Lords does not.
