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Socialism by design?


Trudeau and Obama

        Most Canadians and Americans are simply unaware of the drastic changes that have taken place in their respective countries over the past few generations.

        In his first and only major book, Federalism and the French Canadians (Macmillan, 1968), former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau openly and proudly outlined his plan to socialize Canada. To that point, most socialists theorists felt that any form of federalism, controlled as it must be by a constitution spelling out distinctive federal and provincial (or state) responsibilities according to which the federal government is not allowed to touch provincial/states matters, and vice versa, was a system that for this very reason could not be easily centralized, and hence could not be easily socialized. Socialism was thought to be too difficult to introduce and impose upon a geographically large country that already had a federal system in place.

        But Trudeau disagreed. On p. 126 of his book, he points readers to the experience of "that superb strategist Mao Tse-Tung," who argued that planting socialism willy-nilly in various regional strongholds was "the very best thing." Accordingly, Trudeau proceeded to develop his argument that existing federal systems, although originally designed to block centralization, can indeed be used to plant a centralizing socialism, and "must be welcomed as a valuable tool which permits dynamic parties to plant socialist governments in certain provinces, from which the seeds of radicalism can slowly spread" (p.127).

       To that point, Canadian Federalism, like American federalism, had been specifically designed (just read the original constitutions of each nation, to verify) to prevent any oppressive central government from intruding into provincial/state jurisdictions, on the conviction that local government ought to govern things local, and central (federal) governments, only those things that are truly national. For example, many things in Canada's constitution such as health care and education, are still specified as strictly provincial responsibilities.

         So Trudeau and his "gang of five" of the time (Trudeau, Marchand, Lalonde, Chretien, and Begin), had to figure out, in Maoist style, how to get around the "keep your hands off local government" rules in the constitution.

         They did so with a specific and very simple strategy. They said: 1) Let's not touch the constitution. that's too tough, and would take a lot of persuading.  2) Instead, let's write up socialist national standards for everything we can think of, and then raise taxes like crazy on individual citizens.  3) Then, instead of dictating or forcing any lower jurisdiction to subscribe to the plan, let's bribe them to take part, with their own money! We'll just offer a lot of that new tax money to any province that agrees to become socialized in the way we wish to see. All we have to do to socialize a federation is "stuff their mouths with gold" (a phrase used by Health Minister Aneurin Bevan, when he introduced socialized medicine to Britain). 

          In other words, Trudeau and Company conceived a plan to financially bribe the provinces into surrendering their control over formerly and solely and strictly provincial matters. Presto: new regulations to socialize all of Canada were introduced funded by so-called "shared-cost" programs, and they were soon willingly accepted by every province (except gutsy Alberta, which fought this program, but eventually caved in) in exchange for billions of dollars sent back to them in "transfer payments" - that is, in exchange for gobs of money that had first been extracted from them in taxes.

          That is exactly what I suspect Obama is going to try in the USA to break down what he sees as excessive "states rights" in America, in order to universalize his social programs, suppress states rights further where he can, and draw all under his new socialist policy umbrella.

           In 1934, the U.S. Senator from Louisiana, Huey Long, himself a socialist and a corrupt man to his toes (his nickname was "The Kingfish") warned the people long before, what was coming and what he was trying to bring about, loud and clear. 

           He said: "when socialism comes to America, it will come in the name of democracy."

           But no one listened, and it has.

http://www.williamgairdner.com/journal/

See "Trudeau and Obama"

oad aka mhooner



-- Edited by oad on Saturday 25th of April 2009 12:42:28 PM

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Thanks for the post.   You should join us here: http://ldsglo.com/forum/index.php.  That post would be accepted there as well.

-- Edited by mirkwood on Saturday 25th of April 2009 02:53:37 PM

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The depressing thing is that so many americans are welcoming socialism with open arms.

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Thanks mirk. I will probably do that.

Arbilad, I would have to agree with you. I think it was a while coming but it has gained a critical mass and now it is moving forward so fast that it seems impossible to do anything to prevent it from taking over.

Oh, by the way, I am a Canadian and I am equally distressed with how my country seems to have almost totally embraced socialism.

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"During the first half fo the twentieth century we have travelled far into the soul-destroying land of socialism..."  (David O. McKay, 18 October 1952 Church News)

"I pray that we will develop the understanding, the desire, and the courage born of the Spirit, to eschew socialism and to support and sustain, in the manner revealed and as interpreted by the Lord, those just and holy principles embodied in the Constittuion of the United States..."  (Marion G. Romney, April 1966 General Conference)

It seems popularity takes presidence over principle even with most LDS congressmen.



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I think it is too late to stop the socialization of the USA. God's destruction of the wicked is the only thing that will bring it to an end. In the meantime we will have to deal with it under the 12th Article of Faith and our polticial/voting system in an attempt to fight it.

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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -- Margaret Thatcher

Socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, nor a movement of the poor, but is in reality a method of the economic elite to consolidate and control the wealth, the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. 



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