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Evangelicals threaten to dump Republican party if Romney is on ticket


There are evangelicals who are saying that if Romney is the VP candidate, they will not vote Republican in November.
Personally, I am not voting Republican for many reasons, but if Romney was the VP candidate, that would give me just one more. And I like the idea of an LDS as President.

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I'm not suprised. I think I already said the Huckabee people wouldn't stand for Romney as VP. And likewise many Romney people wouldn't stand for Huckabee.

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I'll vote for the Rep. candidate this time if he makes Ron Paul his VP.

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What good coul come of having Mitt Romney as VP?

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With Romney in the VP spot, when McCain loses in November, Romney will be poised as the frontrunner in 2012.

Should I not vote for Chuck Baldwin because he is Baptist?

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As stated on another thread, I suggest that instead of judging the candidates according to your own views, wishes, and druthers, that you find out which of the candidates would be most acceptable to the Lord by studying what the Lord and his Prophets and Apostles have told us about proper government.  Read D&C 98:6 and 101:77 & 80 as a starter, followed by a study of the US Constitution.  Then, and this may take some digging, read what Prophets and Apostles have in past said and written about the importance of LDSs upholding the US Constitution.

I don't care what Christian religion a candidate espouses, but I do care very much that the candidate espouses the US Constitution as written by the "Founding Fathers", which is the Constitution and Bill of Rights that the Lord gave us.       


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Religion is not the main issue here for me, although Romney being hypocritical does add to the long list of reasons why I wouldn't vote for him. If Romney were 7th day adventist, jewish, buddhist, Sikh, or Zoroastrian, I still wouldn't vote for him.
Like I said. I'd love to have an LDS president if I was confident that he would uphold the Constitution. But Romney wouldn't. That's my main beef with him.

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I am amazed at the number of LDSs who believe that, regardless of what Mitt Romney has said and done in past, (and many refuse to believe any of that, or blow it off as necessary to get into office)  if he were to become president he would use his priesthood to get direction from the Lord in his duties as president.

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That is laughable. Leopards don't change thier spots.

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There'd be a lot more BOMs going out around the world. weirdface.gif

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I am afraid that Mitt Romney may have misrepresented the Church with his past and increasingly known stances on certain doctrinal, moral and constitutional principles.  

I doubt any young LDS who had in past publicly supported abortion and homosexual interests and publicly stated that the last time he knew of that God spoke to man was to Moses at the bush would be considered for a mission.  Imagine if people who had followed Romney's political history and presidential campaign were to investigate, or even join the Church, and then find out the real position of the Church on certain issues that Romney misrepresented.         

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Have you ever lived in the South, lundie? Some o' them don't exactly agree with our political views and they consider themselves CK material as much as the next LDS.

I guess I'm torn on the whole thing. No matter who's elected, we'll find plenty to gripe about.



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Yes, I did 2 years in NC, but at a time in my life when I was not LDS nor interested in political issues.  But then, that recent year and a half in SLC convinced me that I'm on a much different page than most LDSs. 

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I remember on my mission to Indiana, we went to have dinner with a member family and found out, in the course of conversation, the dad was Democrat. My jaw dropped. I turned to my comp like, "Can we BE Democrat???" 'Course, the wife put mayonnaise in chocolate cake, so they definitely had their problems.

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Other than Ron Paul, the only congressman I know to have always upheld the US Constitution in Congress was Laurence P. McDonald, D-GA.  As a conservative Democrat he maintained a strong pro-Constitution voting record.  He was a staunch, outspoken opponent of communism.  Like Ron Paul, he believed there were covert efforts by powerful groups in America to bring about a world socialist government.  And like Paul, he had been a military flight surgeon.  While in Congress, McDonald became the President of the John Birch Society and founded the Western Goals Foundation.  

His record as a Democrat in Congress, therefore, is far more "conservative" and pro-Constitution than that of any current or recent LDS congressman I know of.  




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Cocobeem wrote:

'Course, the wife put mayonnaise in chocolate cake, so they definitely had their problems.




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Shyeah, no kidding! She told us after the fact like, "Bet you can't get the secret ingredient!" kinda' thing. It did have a weird taste but I couldn't identify it. It all made sense afterword. In a nonsensical kind of way...

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Soylent green is people!

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rofl.gif at coco and arb

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Cocobeem wrote:

I remember on my mission to Indiana, we went to have dinner with a member family and found out, in the course of conversation, the dad was Democrat. My jaw dropped. I turned to my comp like, "Can we BE Democrat???" 'Course, the wife put mayonnaise in chocolate cake, so they definitely had their problems.



Obviously, this woman did not know how to make a good mayonnaise cake.  You shouldn't be able to taste anything...the mayo makes it moist.  Hmmm, I look forward to my grandma's mayonnaise cake when I die--she was the best cook!  And looked and acted EXACTLY like Grannie on Beverly Hillbillies. 



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I had a coworker who makes cookies with mayonaisse. He said, just like Beef said, that it just makes them moist. Further, he said that many commercial bakeries do things that way, so the cookie you order that has been sitting in the display case for several hours actually will still be moist when you buy it and eat it.

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Dude. Mayonnaise is wrong in any kind of cake or cookies. It's just.... EWWW!

I'm serious, that cake was nasteeeee! I just can't bring myself to even think of ever trying mayo in cake. Unless it was some sort of joke.

Now applesauce I've heard makes a nice moist cookie or cake...

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Had a chat yesterday with someone "in the know" in the McCain campaign. Romney is no longer being considered. At present, it's Pawlenty.

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Yeah, I'm afraid his religion is a stumbling block to too many.

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Pudding mix makes your cake moist. So does a mouthful of water...

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Cocobeem wrote:

Yeah, I'm afraid his religion is a stumbling block to too many.




 Why even bring religion into it? His politics are odious to many.



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I think that's the evangelicals main problem, though. They won't go beyond that to even look at the politics.

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I've made my decision.

I am voting for Chuck Baldwin. I just cannot stomach voting for McCain. If McCain were to chose Romney as VP, I'd probably change my mind.

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About 10 years ago I participated in an effort in Arizona to recall Senator McCain.  He is bad news.  And Mitt Romney's support of McCain is yet another reason I am so hard on Romney.  I cannot figure out why Romney would support McCain unless he wants the White House badly enough to throw principles to the wind as he did when he ran against Ted Kennedy for the US Senate. 



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I honestly don't know what to do regarding the election.  I can't get behind either candidate, regardless of who the VP is.  Because come on, what does a VP do?  Seriously, what does he do unless POTUS becomes incapicitated?  And I don't trust ANY politician--unless Pres. Monson were to run.  Then I would trust ONE politician.

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If you listen to Romney says, it sounds like he supports McCain mostly because he really doesn't want Obama to become president. It boils down to supporting the Republicans because they are the ones that can possibly stop the Democrats.

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 It's not just evangelicals that cannot get past Romney's religion to even consider his politics.  The exercises in rationalization and excuse making that so many LDSs go thru to justify support of Romney is bedazzeling.

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Vote third party and help break the backs of the Repub and Demon parties. More and more people are starting to do this. The BS of "you are throwing your vote away" is nothing more then the two parties trying to manipulate you into continuing their strangleholds. Enough is enough.

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But, but -- Perot totally got Clinton in there the first time, 'member?

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It seems to me, as acting secretary of the Arizona Constitution Party, that more people are noticing that there are tremendous forces challenging our constitutional principles, and our rights and our freedoms.  Our country is in real jeopardy, and it will require aggressive political action to correct this "awful situation".  Both the Democrats and Republicans have squandered the Founding Fathers' legacy of liberty and justice under the Constitution.  Many if not most government officials in the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of our government ignore their oath to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution, and "we the people" have allowed this to happen.  Both of the leading political parties follow basically the same agenda, which includes increasing changes in our government leading to regional, and then global  governance.  There is another political organization dedicated to fixing what is happening and restoring and protecting our freedoms.  I recommend that you consider the Constitution Party.  It is the only political party that espouses the U.S. Constitution in the traditon in which the Lord gave it to us thru wise men whom He "raised up unto this very purpose."  Look at its platform and principles at  www.constitutionparty.com

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Cocobeem wrote:

But, but -- Perot totally got Clinton in there the first time, 'member?




Yea so what.  If people had continued with the third pary pursuit, we would currently have a viable third choice.  That statement you just made is what both parties want you to think.  It keeps them in power.



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I think that the third party potential is large when even popular talk show hosts like Glenn Beck openly doubt whether they can vote for McCain.
The thing that really perplexes me is people who say that they would rather not vote than vote third party, because, according to them, voting third party is throwing your vote away.

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BTW, it's being rumored that McCain is considering Tom Ridge, a pro-abortion politician, as his running mate. McCain is already so far to the left that if he wants a realistic chance of winning, he needs to pick a conservative like Ron Paul to balance out his socialist tendencies. Picking a pro-abortion running mate is campaign suicide, if you ask me.

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Obama's in. McCain is pretty much irrelevant at this point. That's how I see it.

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You could be right. The media definitely is all ga-ga over Obama. The news coverage is extremely slanted. It goes something like this usually: "Obama, with regal motion and great charisma and beauty, talked to a rapt audience about his kitchen sink" and "McCain's futile attempt to run a dirty campaign backfired when he produced pictures and witnesses allegedly proving that Obama strangles puppies for fun."

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Neither McCain nor Obama, nor many others in Washington, D.C.  believe in putting America first. They are globalists through and through.  Their recent pandering before an anti-American, racist organization such as La Raza proves it.   The real battle today is between Americans and globalists.  Between those who believe in constitutional government, national sovereignty and independence, secure borders, and putting America first, and those who want to merge the United States into some kind of global socialist dictatorship called the New World Order.



 



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So do you think the number of the beast has anything to do with the NWO?

I haven't heard lundie's take on the whole 666 thing, come to think of it...

(rubs hands... this should be good!) nod.gif

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