Religions losing legal battle against homosexuals

arbilad · Head Chef

Religions losing legal battle against homosexuals

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

It's so frustrating to see it happening. I also see big trouble for religions over this and big trouble for the Church in specific.

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

I don't understand why, if "marriage" is so important for them, they'd want to choose that time to make a statement, and in a place they're not wanted.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Some people simply want what they are told they can't have. Not that they'd be happy if they got it. In this case, I sometimes wonder if some gay activists are bent on butting heads with religions simply because of their own feelings of guilt. Like they think winning a battle with a church would numb those feelings by making them right.

arbilad · Head Chef

Basically, the way the court decisions are going, there is no religious principle that the courts won't consider less important than so called "rights". Think about it; wouldn't a transexxual female to male win a court case against the Church if they sued for the right to pass the sacrament? The church wouldn't do it, of course. And that's where the persecution comes in. Think about how the church was persecuted over polygamy, and that was an issue that the church could give in on. The church won't give in on this one, even to stop persecution.
I think we'll also see more apostasy soon because many church members already see nothing wrong with gay "marriage".
And you're right; why have a ceremony where you're not wanted? But it's all about forcing their "lifestyle" down other people's throats.
It could become a job issue for many as well. How does a good church member react to the news that a coworker is getting "married" to his gay lover?

Fregramis · Senior Member

This may become a reason that the Elders of the Church get called home; part of what they teach is the law of chastity. If teaching people with SSA tendencies to restrain themselves and repent of sexual acts becomes a prosecutable hate crime, we may have to let the Lord do the preaching for a while. And He will use very strong "words": flood, earthquake, plague, etc.. We are only scratching the surface with the current quantity of natural disasters.

Organist · Senior Member

Billions of people around the world hate you for Christ's sake. Very few will say, "I hate you for Christ's sake", but rather they may say, "You are a homophobe, hatemonger, bigot, judgmental chauvanist, who wants to take my money and control my life". (Who wouldn't hate a person like that?) Many will hide the overt hate under supposed logical and rational arguments.

Why don't they like you? Isn't the message you bring glorious? Yes, but it requires a change of heart and actions, which is really tough. No one likes to be told that what they are doing is wrong or sub-par.

How do you like being told that if you take everyone on this board, 1/2 of you are below average drivers? What? Me? I'm an excellent driver, he must be talking about someone else. No, I'm 50% sure I'm talking about you.

Now consider that you are talking about something far bigger than driving skills, someone's morality. Me? Immoral? That cannot be true. I'm basically a good person. I don't lie (much). I don't commit adultery (I'm not married, so its not adultery). I love everyone (except for my boss, 3 coworkers, that cop who pulled me over, and "sleezy-suzy" from high school and anyone who just is out to get me). See, I'm a good person.

We have a way of justifying ourselves, but there is only one way to truly justify ourselves, and that is the message we share with the world. They will hate us for it and all that it implies.

dianoia · Senior Member

Ummm...raises her hand tentatively

I am a below average driver.

(Sorry, organist, couldn't resist.)

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Yes, I think this may be the tip of the iceberg. The Church will be forced to make a stand more and more as time goes on and it's not going to be pretty.

Can you imagine if the Church ever lost its tax-exempt status?

Pt314 · Senior Member

The methodist church that didn't want a gay couple getting married on their property, is currently fighting the courts to not lose tax exempt status.

I don't think it's much of a stretch that something similar could happen to the LDS church.

The whole tax exempt status is supposed to be applied when a church stays out of politics. Problem is that to many 'Progressives' anything is political.