Hey gun people

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Hey gun people

Xanth · Senior Member

One that shoots tranquilizers, and minimal recoil.
Oh and never misses ;)

Forgot to add why:
tranquilizers - No blood splatter to clean up, and if you use a fast acting tranquilizer you don't have to worry about them still trying to get you.

Minimal recoil - so you don't hit yourself in the head when you fire.

-- Edited by Xanth at 11:22, 2008-06-11

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I'm interested, too. I think mirk will say a Glock. There's something cool about saying, "I have a .38 Special" though... just sorta' sounds cool...

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Well, I want a .38 because I love the band .38 Special and I love the song "Saturday Night Special." Those are good reasons, right?

Valhalla · Profuse Pontificator

A .38 wheel gun may not be a bad choice for a couple of reasons:

-autoloaders are not always easy for women to operate
-autos take more training
-if you load the same round constantly, it can be a problem
-if you have smaller hands, the grip can be a problem
-if you just want to have it and not use it much, a revolver might be good

Basically, a revolver is always ready to go, there are no safeties, simple point and click interface.

It also depends on how you will carry it, purse, in the waist band holster, shoulder holster. Revolvers tend to be wider than autos, so a little harder to conceal on your waist, make your pants tighter.

I would really recommend going to a gun store with someone who is actually knowledgeable. A lot of people who claim to know guns, don't know jack. Not knocking your brother, but a lot of idiot gun owners and gun sellers. I have met dealers I would not trust with a cap gun.

Actually, pick up handguns, see how they feel, how they operate. See if an indoor range has firearms to rent and try some. Absolutely, take a women's firearm class by a certified instructor, not just the concealed carry class, but a class on using handguns. Don't trust some joe just to take you out and let it fly. This really is a must for your own safety and understanding.

Make sure the handgun is comfortable to hold. Once you get it, practice with it so you know how it shoots, how it feels, where the rounds will impact, learn not to flinch, don't get scared of the noise, etc.

Some possible recommendations are:

Taurus handguns, concealable revolvers. Taurus makes a good, not too expensive gun, they come in many flavors. You do not need a .357 (.38s can be used in a .357, but not the other way around). A .357 out of a snubby revolver is too much. Look for a .38, they can come in 5, 6, or 7 round versions.

Check these: http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=CC2

or just review through these: http://www.taurususa.com/products/products-revolvers.cfm

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

I always wanted one of those potato guns that they sell at the fair. Not made from potatoes, but it punches little pellets out of potatoes and shoots them.

-- Edited by Jen at 18:59, 2008-06-11

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Jen, the dollar section of the Meridian target has those.

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

No way!

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

I just saw them (and vetoed the purchase of one) today. I don't recall if they were $1 or $2.50 but there ya go.

Xanth · Senior Member

Have you thought about:

1) Can you handle the emotional stress of shooting and possibly killing someone with the gun.
2) Are you prepared to be shot with your own gun. As the person you are using it against has the option to try and take it away, and use it against you.

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

Val gave some good advice. Yes I'm partial to Glocks and 9mm. If you are not gun familiar 9mm is an easy recoil to beginning shooters. I like it for the easy recoil as I come back on target faster.

Xanth wrote:

Have you thought about:

1) Can you handle the emotional stress of shooting and possibly killing someone with the gun.

This is good advice as well. If you don't think you can kill someone with a gun, don't ever deploy it on them.

Xanth also wrote:

2) Are you prepared to be shot with your own gun. As the person you are using it against has the option to try and take it away, and use it against you.

If you can deal with #1 this is a non issue.

-- Edited by mirkwood at 22:58, 2008-06-11

Xanth · Senior Member

Another item to consider is the speed of the gun. If you want it mainly for protection, then you might want a slower speed gun. A slower speed gun will have more knock down ability ie the bullet will knock the person down instead of just going straight through them.

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Thanks, Val. Your information was really helpful. I'm going to look up some places around town to see if I can try out their guns. My brother suggested a revolver since automatics could get jammed. I enjoy target shooting (although I stink at it), so I may develop a taste for it and want other guns in the future.

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Xanth wrote:

Have you thought about:

1) Can you handle the emotional stress of shooting and possibly killing someone with the gun.

Yes, I believe I could take someone's life if my life or the life of a loved one was threatened. I don't say that lightly as I realize the sanctity of life. I also believe it should be the last resort. There are other means to protect myself and the Lord will help me if a situation like that occurs. But as a single woman living alone, I've been feeling the need to provide more adequate protection in case of something happening.

2) Are you prepared to be shot with your own gun. As the person you are using it against has the option to try and take it away, and use it against you.

Yes. Again, if I am in a situation where I believe that firing my weapon my only option, it would be a life-threatening situation. As a result of that I realize that my life and health are already on the line. If, in my defense I am injured or killed, then that will be a result from the situation I am already in.

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Xanth wrote:

Minimal recoil - so you don't hit yourself in the head when you fire.

That reminds me of when I was at BYU and some friends and I went shooting. Holy crap, but I was an idiot and agreed to fire a 16 gauge shotgun. I almost ended up on my tush and had a sore shoulder for quite a while after that.

Or the time I got set apart to be a missionary, then broke about all the rules in the little white handbook. Bad idea to set someone apart when they are still home and won't leave for the MTC for another 2 days. Anyway, right after I was set apart, I went to my brother's house where we shot guns including some handgun used by the Germans in WWII. For someone unused to shooting, that one had a huge recoil.

NRA · Veteran Member

You should at least give consideration to a Springfield Armory XD in 9mm. I think for the money they (the XD models) are the best gun out there for the money. IMHO. Nice safety features as well.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I killed someone in my dream with a shotgun. He was bad.

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

All the guys I know that swtiched to the XD ended up going back to thier previous gun within 6 months. I was not one who switched so I have not fired the XD and can only comment on what I observed others doing. 4 went back to Glocks, with one changing to a different caliber and one went back to Sig Sauer.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

Different localities have different laws and regulations regarding use of a gun for protection of life and property. All too often a person who uses a gun for protection ends up being prosecuted, and in some cases doing time, for even just pointing a gun a another person. Self defense can be difficult to prove in cases of a hostile court.

NRA · Veteran Member

mirkwood wrote:
All the guys I know that swtiched to the XD ended up going back to thier previous gun within 6 months.

That's pretty interesting. I don't have an XD either but I've heard that they were pretty good? Did you hear some of the reasons they switched back?

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

That was several years ago. All I remember is that they liked thier previous guns better.

Valhalla · Profuse Pontificator

Lethal tupperware (Glock) is the only way to go, and the official sidearm of the Church.

Glocks are like the girl next door, always works and sticks with you.

LEVE · Veteran Member

I have a SA XD M40 for Home Protection and I like it... no complaints. I find it's a little big for CC (IMHO).

However for a CC weapon I'd favor a Kel-Tec P-3AT. It's a good .380 automatic that has minimal recoil and it handles well. It will soon be joining the LEVE armory.

Give it a look over

arbilad · Head Chef

Obama is sure encouraging gun sales.

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

Another vote for Glock. They're not pretty. They feel clunky. But they're one of the most reliable and safest handguns on planet earth.

I have a 26 (a 'baby Glock' 9mm - small and easy to conceal). My wife took a personal protection class, fired different things, talked to different people, and now she has one also. She got a laser sight, and now I'm jealous.

I really like Glocks because they put up with wear and tear. I've dropped it many times - in the dirt, on the floor, in the cat water. It cleans easily and always works. It's also one of the safest. 3 or 4 locks, they all disarm when you pull the trigger.

They also make a baby glock in .40 caliber, if you feel comfortable with something bigger than a 9.

I've also had a full size Ruger, and a hammerless 38 special. Both fine guns. Glock is better.

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

Glock is the official handgun of the Church.

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

Now there's one official policy I'd love to see enshrined in a logo!

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

I figure it must be official since the armed church security carry them.

DMGNUT · Veteran Member

Ok... I'm late to the party as usual, but I'm here now.

For those discussing the sanctity of life, please keep one thing in mind...
The scum bag kicking your door in, the scum bag trying to car jack you, etc, etc,... all decided long ago that they have absolutely zero concern for the life of anyone who stands in the way of their plans to acquire what they want.
You had better get your mind around the fact, that if you hesitate for even an instant; it will cost you the edge you may have needed to survive the encounter (or to save the life of your loved one).
Whatever gun you choose, seek out real professional training. I do not mean go target shooting at the range with your brother, dad, cousin, etc. (unless they are a weapons instructor). No insult to them, but real training is something entirely different than plinking at the range.