Why should I care?

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

Why should I care?

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

Sorry, can't even care enough to try...

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

Oh, you should care because one of our fellow humans is a sad, struggling person out there trying to find happiness in the wrong places by doing the wrong things. She is our neighbor, and Christ seemed to have strong feelings on the matter of where our heart should be in relation to our neighbor.

But when the rubber hits the road, my stewardship extends no further than to be sad for her, and do everything in my power to make sure my daughters don't grow up like her.

And you do the url thingy by typing the word, then highlighting it, and then clicking the "link" button. A little window will pop up, and you paste the link in there.

LM

LoudmouthMormon · Profuse Pontificator

Actually, the whole mess reminds me of the Lewinsky/Clinton scandal. President Hinckley had some great words to share with Larry King on the issue - they've stuck with me and I've tried to accomplish the tenderness and love he had.

LK: Many religious leaders are now speaking out. In fact, a major church this morning said he should resign. What, President Hinckley, are your thoughts on President Clinton?
GBH: Well, I feel very sorry for him in the first place. Here's a man of great talent and capacity who has evidently just hurt himself so seriously that it must be a terrible thing for him. Personally, I forgive him. The Lord has said, I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive. But of you, it's required to forgive all men. And in that sense I forgive him of any offenses committed against me. But he still has accountability. He's accountable to the Congress. He's accountable to the people of the United States who elected him. He's accountable to God. I believe that. And that's what he must face.
LK: And who determines that accounting?
GBH: The Congress of the United States, the House of Representatives, where it will go first. And if they make a judgment there that -- in the direction of impeachment, then it will go to the Senate.
LK: If the charge, as we have heard it, that -- just what he admitted too, obviously, that part is true. If that's it, there are some saying he should resign. Some saying he shouldn't. Do you think he should leave the post if he has morally impaired it?
GBH: Let me say that I still believe that right is right, and wrong is wrong. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. These aren't suggestions, these are commandments.
LK: It was a fait accompli.
GBH: Given by Jehovah on Sinai -- the Ten Commandments. They're as applicable today as they were when they were first given.
LK: Should he then resign, Mr. President.
GBH: I think he must make his own decision and the Congress must make their decision.
LK: So when you say you forgive, you forgive the act or you forgive the actor, not the act?
GBH: I forgive the actor as far as I am concerned. I am not trying to hold any malice against him or anybody else. I think that's my responsibility to extend the hand of forgiveness and helpfulness. But at the same time, the position of president of the United States of America carries with it a tremendous trust. In my judgment, an inescapable trust.
I brought with me some words from George Washington, the first inaugural address of 1789. This is what he said, he hoped "that the foundations of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality and the preeminence of free government be exemplified by all the attributes which can win the affections of its citizens and command the respect of the world." That's a great statement. Is it asking too much of our public servants to not only make of this nation the greatest nation on earth politically, militarily, but also to give moral leadership to the world?
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LK: Billy Graham has been at some. I am sure you have attended some. Should we pray for our president?
GBH: I think we should pray for our president.
LK: And the prayer should say what?
GBH: I don't know. I haven't given that a lot of thought. But it would -- pray for strength to stand up in these difficult circumstances. Now he's going through something terrible. His wife must be going through something terrible. His daughter must be going through something terrible. He needs help.
Now, I repeat, that doesn't mean that he isn't accountable. He occupies a great and sacred trust. As you know, if a school principal were involved in any such thing as he's accused of being involved in he wouldn't last day, scarcely. School teacher, police officer, any of these people.
He's the president of the United States. There's a right way; there's a wrong way. There's truth; there is mischief; there's evil. I don't think it's asking too much of any public officer to stand tall and be a model before the people, not only in the ordinary aspects of leadership, but in the way -- the manner in which he conducts himself.

LM

beefche · Profuse Pontificator

I'm getting old--I used to not care about the media or even important things.

My beef, again, is with the media. Yes, this is a big story. And we should hear about it. This man broke his promises (and I'm not even talking about his marriage/family vows). But, this article is one of the top headlines and focuses on the call girl. Why is that news to us? Is it that important to have her interviewed for any sordid details? Does her personal life shed light on the criminal acts that Spitzer did?

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Should I click or not? Do I care?

DoubleD · Senior Member

Coco.

You don't care about this one.

Fregramis · Senior Member

The world cares, because sex sells.....this man's life and reputation are destroyed but we elevate and mystify the whore who brought him down....amazing.

arbilad · Head Chef

Sex not only sells, but is glorified. And not only is a man's life ruined, but the concept that you can be morally clean has had its public image tarnished. This makes it harder for anyone running on a "moral cleanliness" platform to be taken seriously.
And now the media will have titillating news stories for a while, and the prostitute will probably make good money off of talk show appearances and stuff like that.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

It's about sex? Why didn't you say so?

If it wasn't this girl, it would've been one of any million other "high-end" hookers, whatever that is, exactly...

Do they bathe more? Do you get to see their health certificate first, like is required for me to breed my mare later this summer?

Anyhoo, didn't Spitz have 3 teenage daughters? I wonder what they're thinking and how they've already changed. Lousy bastard.

arbilad · Head Chef

I didn't know that he had three teenage daughters. That's tragic. I can only imagine how it would affect their self image to know that their dad cheated on their mom with a young, pretty hooker. Are they going to be able to form good relationships with men later in their lives?

Mahonri · Senior Bucketkeeper

I'm moving this to the top

REASON:

When perusing "Recent Posts"

It came up like this:

My Grandma has Cancer. Then the next thread says:

Why should I care?

I think we should care.

Stupid I know but now they are not together

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

O... kay...

Anyhoo- I heard Penthouse is offering the girl $1 million. Unbelievable. His family's in the craphouse and she's set for life.

arbilad · Head Chef

Yeah, it sucks, doesn't it? Hopefully no young girls think about going into prostitution after seeing the money and fame this woman gets out of this.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I dunno... that's one way to get outta' da 'hood.

arbilad · Head Chef

They should at least do truth in advertising. Most girls who go into prostitution are nowhere near as successful as this woman. Also, it is hard on the psyche of the girl in question.
I read an article in a San Francisco newspaper a long while back that many prostitutes carry knives for self defense, but many of them have, at one time or another, fantasized about using the knife to kill her "john".

Duke of Mirth · Profuse Pontificator

Have you looked at pictures of this girl. If you look at her eyes she has this dead look. There is no spark that you see in the righteous sisters of Zion. How sad!

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

Cocobeem wrote:

If it wasn't this girl, it would've been one of any million other "high-end" hookers, whatever that is, exactly... Do they bathe more? Do you get to see their health certificate first, like is required for me to breed my mare later this summer?

I think it means in part that they are younger and prettier than the cheap ones.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I dunno... the 5 yo's in Thailand are pretty young.

I've also heard maybe they could carry on a conversation in polite company... But yeah, those "cheap" hookers really make me sick. They're so ugly, too. Yikes.