It'll be the one that inspires me as I walk into the polling booth... I often do not know for sure until then... I have usually narrowed it down to a couple of choices...
This time... I believe we have way too many, but not really inspiring choices... I am starting to lean in one direction... but since I moderate here, I will not share that leaning...
I'm having a hard time remembering. You were the Brownback fan, right?
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I can't imagine anyone that posts here that would actually vote for a Demoncrat!
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So Mitt has the lead...you Mitt supporters...is it because he is LDS? If not, why do you support him?
Being LDS is just the icing on the cake for me. If Harry Reid was running it would make no difference (maybe with his recent comments it would hurt him).
I support Mitt Romney because he has tons of experience as an executive. He saved tons of businesses from going bankrupt, and many more under his guidance succeeded dramatically. He also knew when it wasn't a good idea to support something. Then he headed the olympics after it was ridden in scandal, and it ended up highly acclaimed and with a profit, which is nearly unheard of.
He managed to get elected as Governor of Massachussetts, where he overall governed more conservatively then his predecessors (and certainly who they have now). He fought against the states ruling on Same-Sex Marriage as much as he could within the legal system, and may have stopped it from spreading.
Also, he seems to be one of the people who I believe can win the Republican nomination against Rudy Giuliani, and unite most of the party afterwards.
Of course I have some reservations about him. His apparent pandering and flip-floppery, his Massachussetts Health Care plan, concerns on if he will embarrass the church... But I greatly prefer him over Giuliani, McCain, and yes Ron Paul. I also like Hunter, Thompson, and Huckabee, but I just haven't been as impressed with them.
Mitt seems to have strong personal characteristics, like not divorcing his wife, which crosses Rudi off the list immediately. If you cannot be true to your wife, you will make a lousy president. John McCain and Fred Thompson are too old and I dislike many of their ideas (or lack thereof). The Republican stragglers are all a little wierd. I dislike the ideas put forth by the democrats. Hillary is promising bribes to as many people as she can hoodwink. She cannot raise enough taxes to pay for all of them without destroying the economy. Obama smokes and I do not feel good about his level of experience, as illustrated by his ideas.
RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate that hasnt violated his sworn oath to strcitly uphold the constitution.
Keyes is a great constitutional speaker.
Julie Annie is definately OUT!
If Mitt would show less ignorance to the enemies within and less ignorance to supporting the constitution and national soviergnty he may get some support from me. Currently his record for standing for the constitution sucks, his record showing support for Gay marriage and gay scout leadership is A BIG NEGATIVE with my value system.
-- Edited by hiddentreasuredotws at 08:42, 2007-12-05
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At this stage of the game I have no idea who I want to vote for. And it was my understanding that who and how we vote is usually kept confidential. Obviously there are those that would like to say who they are voting for, but I am not one of those people.
I have come across far too many people who try to force their opinions on me.
Here's the one issue for me that will be the deciding factor between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney:
Ron Paul plays an essential role in congress. His positions serve as a constitutional touchstone for others to consider. His idealism sustains him in that critical role. That idealism, if not balanced by more pragmatic concerns, can be a hindrance to meaningful progress. In Roper's world, I would have Ron Paul serving as Chief Justice, with a coule of more pragmatic judges in the court.
In my opinion, Mitt Romney has shown through experience that he can build concensus and promote meaningful progress (and yes, I realize that's up for debate) and then coordinate the resources to implement it. Although I don't agree with some of his past executive actions, as Mahonri has stated, he's where he needs to be now on most issues I consider important as a Latter-day Saint.
So here's what it comes down to for me: Do I want to support a principled constitutionalist who will oppose the increasingly socialism-based legislation coming from our congress--a purist who best represents the ideals that America needs to return to? His election would likely mean at least four years of legislative gridlock. Or do I want to support a proven leader who can build concensus and coordinate resources to press forward with the business of America? His election would likely mean at least four years of legislative progression.
I haven't completely decided at this point. I'm still in Ron Paul's camp. But he probably won't get the nomination. He's too polarizing. In that case, I'll be voting for the Republican candidate. Hopefully it will be Romney. This is a departure for me. The old Roper would have voted for the Constitution party or Libertarian party candidate. But the prospect of Hillary in the White House terrifies me.
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hiddentreasuredotws wrote:RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate that hasnt violated his sworn oath to strcitly uphold the constitution.
Question for you hidden,
What will you do if Ron Paul does not win the nomination?
LM
I will cross that bridge when I get to it. Personally I think Mitt tries to hard to be part of the Republican gang of poiticians. I dont believe this country will survive any more compomising of freedom principles. However on the other hand one of the last important ones is Religious Freedom, which I believe Romney is making a strong stance for. At one point I may have supported Keyes.
Really its not about who is the winner and more about restoring the God inspired Constitutional principles of liberty and free agency. I believe Ron Paul is the winner in that allready.
-- Edited by hiddentreasuredotws at 21:58, 2007-12-06
Here is a chance to participate in an LDS poll run by www.meridianmagazine.com and to see to what extent other LDSs are supporting which candidates.
I don't trust the robustness, reliability, or verifiability of the polls Meridian Magazine runs. All one has to do is identify the cookie for the website / poll on their pc, delete it, and then they can vote again. I wouldn't put it past some unscrupulous people to be running the vote up to purposely skew the results on this one.
Why do I think that? Well, I noticed this same poll yesterday and thought it rather odd that there had been more respondants to it than probably the last three or four major issue polls combined that Meridian has done...
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Yep, I don't trust any poll that isn't scientific and even some of those I suspect based on the questions that are asked and how they are asked. These unscientific polls have a history of being hijacked by one candidate or another's supporters. I suspect this one will be also.
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Mirk, that had nothing to do with it. I stated why I indicated their poll was not reliable.
It was the overall number of votes in total in comparison to their past polls as well as the fact I was able to vote more than one time without having to locate the cookie for that webpage. The poll is not robust, and therefore any presumed accuracy is suspect.
And I have felt and suspected the same thing on all of Meridian's other polls I've ever looked at.
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
I seriously doubt there is 1 person in our stake that is voting for Ron Paul.
-- Edited by Mahonri at 07:08, 2007-12-13
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I think it's hard to relegate Ron Paul supporters to the fringe when he manages to raise so much money on average donations of $116 per person. That was on a day that he set a record for single day fund raising. That means that there are a lot of people donating to him. That doesn't sound like a small number of fringe people to me. I would poll my ward, except that I don't know what venue I would do that in. Certainly not at church, because that would be an inappropriate place to do it.
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Well, I think Arbi, that you would have to admit that the Meridian Poll is a crock.
Having watched the debates, the order in which I would vote out of the bunch would be like this...
In other words, if I couldn't vote for the first, then the next and so on.
Mitt Romney Duncan Hunter Fred Thompson Tom Tancredo Alan Keyes Mike Huckabee Ron Paul John McCain Rudy Giuliani
At least Ron Paul isn't last on my list.
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Here is a chance to participate in an LDS poll run by www.meridianmagazine.com and to see to what extent other LDSs are supporting which candidates.
I don't trust the robustness, reliability, or verifiability of the polls Meridian Magazine runs. All one has to do is identify the cookie for the website / poll on their pc, delete it, and then they can vote again. I wouldn't put it past some unscrupulous people to be running the vote up to purposely skew the results on this one.
Why do I think that? Well, I noticed this same poll yesterday and thought it rather odd that there had been more respondants to it than probably the last three or four major issue polls combined that Meridian has done...
Ron Pauls online Poll winning can be at least partially based on his ability to bri ng otherwise non voters out of the woodwork, those with renewed hope that had otherwise given up politicians and empty missguided campaigns and vote selling.. I know some personally. The mainstream media has attempted to hide, mislead and ignore the Passionate support Ron Paul is getting. Spamming is a potential for any candidate. Hwever the record fundraiser of 4.2 million can not be dismissed as fictiscous spammers or internet fraud, it contradicts the notion.
Why bother to continue assuming that Meridian's poll numbers are simply the result of honest grass roots activism when the numbers simply do not norm to the mean for participation in their previous online polls AND where I have evidenced being able to personally go back and vote, not once, but thrice since I first saw the poll? Apparently, I can go back and vote at least once a day from every computer I access the internet from.
What is going on there are people who are for Paul and people who are for Romney are going back and voting over and over again. Plain and simple. Look at the other candidates. Surely LDS people, since LDS people are probably the overwhelming super-majority of people who go to Meridian Magazine's website, are not so polarly split between Paul and Romney with just outliers for the other candidates. The polling method is not robust. The results are therefore not reliable or accurate.
Polling methods are only robust if every possible respondant is delimited to one response. A lot of online polls are not. Even here in this forum, while each member can only respond once to a poll created here, there is always the chance for the forum administrator or an ubermoderator to tweak the number of responses for any given poll selection.
Anyway, seperate topic, the fact that there are several of Paul's supporters here in this forum that are "passionately" supporting him is evidence that a number of his supporters are passionately for him. But to acuse mainstream media of attempting to hid or mislead the rest of the public about how large of a support base he has is almost laughable. If anything, what I've seen is the mainstream media touting how he seems to have a heavy internet support base... a huge virtual support base if you will. Ultimately, the rubber is going to meet the road come the days the primaries are held and votes are actually cast and counted. If his real world numbers turn out to be low, and the variance from what actual is to what his supporters forecast, will the accusation then be that there was irregularity in the voting process... that his supporters were disenfranchised and not allowed to vote or that outright fraud was perpetrated and the vote was fixed?
I think it would be wonderful if Paul actually does end up with the same percentage of votes in the real primaries as he touts in the mainstream polls (he is what, 4.5% or something?)... But realistically, I doubt he is going to see 1/2 of it.
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Why would someone waste their time going back, doing the cookie removal whatever, and repeatedly voting on some online poll? That's something you'd see in some movie with the online geek that everyone thinks is 6'4" with a six-pack, but he's really more like Dom DeLuise.
I didn't vote on the poll, but I think it's unrealistic to think people spend their time actually doing what you suggested.
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Why would someone waste their time going back, doing the cookie removal whatever, and repeatedly voting on some online poll? That's something you'd see in some movie with the online geek that everyone thinks is 6'4" with a six-pack, but he's really more like Dom DeLuise.
I didn't vote on the poll, but I think it's unrealistic to think people spend their time actually doing what you suggested.
Is it really unrealistic to think it happens if it is not unrealistic to think that actual fraud can be perpetrated in electronic voting in real life?
I've indicated, one doesn't have to tweak cookies to vote multiple times on Meridian's polls...
Why would someone do it? The same reason that fans of a particular contestant on American Idol or Dancing With The Stars or entries for sweepstakes and other similar things will vote / enter as often as possible in favor of their contestant... to give more weight and greater chance of winning to the person.
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Will whoever stated "...there is no person who has a 100% record of constitutional voting." please point out a case where Congressman Paul proposed, voted for, or otherwise supported any legislation or program that would have or did violate the US Constitution.
Will whoever stated "...there is no person who has a 100% record of constitutional voting." please point out a case where Congressman Paul proposed, voted for, or otherwise supported any legislation or program that would have or did violate the US Constitution.
Pt314 wrote:Then don't vote, there is no person who has a 100% record of constitutional voting.
We need you to get out there and rustle up some rural CA votes for Mitt.
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