Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Bountiful -> LDS Discussions -> Myths, False Beliefs, and False Traditions
Post Info TOPIC: Myths, False Beliefs, and False Traditions
bokbadok


Senior Bucketkeeper

Status: Offline
Posts: 1568
Date:
Myths, False Beliefs, and False Traditions
Permalink  

Food for thought from Meridian

I have been deceived about many things in my life; I have believed in lots of myths and false traditions, and false member teachings taught as doctrine. Nothing can mar my ability to trust God more than being deceived about His character, His doctrine, and what He expects of me.

Over and over Ive learned that the problem is never with Gods plan or His doctrine or His character, but with my incomplete or faulty understanding of it.



__________________
"My Karma Ran Over My Dogma"
Cat Herder


Understander of unimportant things

Status: Offline
Posts: 4126
Date:
Permalink  

I'll have to read the article later.

It is easy (human nature I guess) to believe in things that are nothing more than myths and false traditions when one doesn't understand the difference between what a testimony is and something else. I'm not even sure what you call the something else, because testimony is belief in true principles and doctrines that has been revealed to one as being true by the power of the Holy Ghost AND which has been put to the test.

__________________
It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
hiccups


Future Queen in Zion

Status: Offline
Posts: 3155
Date:
Permalink  

Great Aricle, Bok. I'll be looking for part 2.

__________________

"The promptings of the Holy Ghost will always be sufficient for our needs if we keep to the covenant path. Our path is uphill most days, but the help we receive for the climb is literally divine." --Elaine S. Dalton
rayb


Hot Air Balloon

Status: Offline
Posts: 5370
Date:
Permalink  

It'd be nice if we were all born with a perfect understanding of God's plan, but unfortunately God kinda messed that part up... or... err... wait... maybe HE INTENDED it to be that way!? rolleyes

--Ray

__________________
I'm not slow; I'm special.
(Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
Dyany


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 345
Date:
Permalink  

From my understanding of the scriptures, there are 3 things that lead us away from God: 1) The Natural Man, 2) The traditions of our fathers, and 3) Satan. I believe that each of those is a formidable obstacle.

__________________
salesortonscom


Wise and Revered Master

Status: Offline
Posts: 2882
Date:
Permalink  

Green Jello Salad is definitely false doctrine.

__________________

God Made Man, Sam Colt Made Him Equal.

Jason
bokbadok


Senior Bucketkeeper

Status: Offline
Posts: 1568
Date:
Permalink  

rayb wrote:

It'd be nice if we were all born with a perfect understanding of God's plan, but unfortunately God kinda messed that part up... or... err... wait... maybe HE INTENDED it to be that way!? rolleyes

--Ray


Could you clarify what you mean by the rolleyes, Ray?

 



__________________
"My Karma Ran Over My Dogma"
Cocobeem


Keeper of the Holy Grail

Status: Offline
Posts: 5519
Date:
Permalink  

For some reason Pres. Wilford Woodruff and the Declaration ending Polygamy has been playing on my mind. A lot of very strong doctrine of "Follow the Prophet no matter what - he will not and never will lead you astray - etc. etc. " came out of that era. I guess this really doesn't have much to do with myths, but I was trying to imagine what it must've been like to be taught your whole life that certain ordinances and teachings were necessary for eternal life and then having that all change...

__________________

Life is tough but it's tougher if you're stupid.  -John Wayne
Janey


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 244
Date:
Permalink  

I think a lot of the false traditions and false doctrine we get are because we're describing only part of the elephant. Now, I know you're all dying to know what I mean by that. biggrin.gif There's this great parable about five blind men trying to describe an elephant.  It's here: http://www.robinwood.com/LivingtreeGrove/Stories/StoryPages/Elephant.html  

Now that youv'e all read the cute little story (except coco of course), I can say that if we think our vision of the elephant is the only accurate vision, we're going to teach skewed doctrine.  I know I've done that.  I keep notes from my lessons.  I was cleaning stuff out the other week and ran across notes from a lesson from a few years ago.  It was cringeworthy.  I hope I didn't permanently ruin someone's understanding. weirdface

__________________
Valhalla


Profuse Pontificator

Status: Offline
Posts: 601
Date:
Permalink  

While I have not read the article, being deceived is a problem. We are told that the very elect will be deceived, that if Christ does not come when He does, the elect will not be able to stand. The D&C also tells us that some of those in the Terrestial kingdom will be those blinded by the craftiness of men.

I think the keys to avoid this are an absolute testimony of Christ and His Gospel, living a righteous life to have the companionship of the Holy Ghost, and a firm doctrinal foundation (scriptures and Ensign). I have been fortunately blessed that some of the gifts of the Spirit that I have are an absolute testimony of Christ and discernment. If something doesn't sound right, alarms are going off all over in me. I find this essential when reading apocryphal writings and such.

Coco, it is interesting that you mention polygamy. That trips so many up. It's interesting over on the apologetics board how many almost scream against it. Hearing people swear up and down in church that it will never happen again or be in place in the CK. I think a lot of people will be in for a surprise.

Ray, that's satan's plan. He intended it the way He did, that is my experience.

__________________
Lo, there I see my mother, my sisters, my brothers
Lo, there I see the line of my people back to the beginning
Lo, they call to me, they bid me take my place among them
In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live...forever
rayb


Hot Air Balloon

Status: Offline
Posts: 5370
Date:
Permalink  

If we were intended to be born with a perfect understanding of the Plan of Salvation, we would've been born with it...

How exactly can I make my point more clear?

So now we see through a glass darkly... in this life we determine what's true by what we follow... what seeds of faith we plant and nurture... etc...

--Ray

__________________
I'm not slow; I'm special.
(Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
Cocobeem


Keeper of the Holy Grail

Status: Offline
Posts: 5519
Date:
Permalink  

I knew the elephant story already. thumbsup.gif

Good point about the deception. I really believe there will be those who will be deceived - going off the Ten Virgins explanation in the D&C - that almost makes you want to yell, "No fair! I'm just dumb, not evil!" But, I guess we must be wise, must'nt we?

__________________

Life is tough but it's tougher if you're stupid.  -John Wayne
hiccups


Future Queen in Zion

Status: Offline
Posts: 3155
Date:
Permalink  

Once someone in a Gospel Doctrine class I attended tried to say that people who went to BYU were more righteous than those who didn't. I think that qualifies as a false belief. giggle.gif

__________________

"The promptings of the Holy Ghost will always be sufficient for our needs if we keep to the covenant path. Our path is uphill most days, but the help we receive for the climb is literally divine." --Elaine S. Dalton
Cat Herder


Understander of unimportant things

Status: Offline
Posts: 4126
Date:
Permalink  

hiccups wrote:

Once someone in a Gospel Doctrine class I attended tried to say that people who went to BYU were more righteous than those who didn't. I think that qualifies as a false belief. giggle.gif


No, that would be a false tradition...  They would have to be saying it but not really believing what is coming out of their mouth for it to be a false belief... biggrin.gif



__________________
It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
bokbadok


Senior Bucketkeeper

Status: Offline
Posts: 1568
Date:
Permalink  

How about these false beliefs (bok tries doggedly to keep this thread useful and interesting, rather than let it degenerate into the silliness that threatens nearly every thread on this forum):

God won't love me unless I do everything the Church asks of me.

The Atonement may work for others, but not for me -- God could never forgive what I've done.

A loving God wouldn't keep me and my husband apart in the next life, so we don't need to be sealed.





__________________
"My Karma Ran Over My Dogma"
rayb


Hot Air Balloon

Status: Offline
Posts: 5370
Date:
Permalink  

Way to kill the thread, Bok.

How about the false belief that it's okay to be sinful?

--Ray


__________________
I'm not slow; I'm special.
(Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
PollyAnna


Senior Bucketkeeper

Status: Offline
Posts: 1625
Date:
Permalink  

bokbadok wrote:

 (bok tries doggedly to keep this thread useful and interesting...)


I am thinking that I have probably fallen for similar false beliefs bok, although those are not MY exact ones...

So does anyone have a solution to overcoming this problem...???

__________________
PollyAnna


Senior Bucketkeeper

Status: Offline
Posts: 1625
Date:
Permalink  

You know... it's just a little harder for me to think seriously about the questions posed by a "gumby-chicken", than a real person... thank HEAVENS I now have a face to go with the name... heart.gif

__________________
beefche


Profuse Pontificator

Status: Offline
Posts: 742
Date:
Permalink  

bokbadok wrote:

How about these false beliefs (bok tries doggedly to keep this thread useful and interesting, rather than let it degenerate into the silliness that threatens nearly every thread on this forum):

God won't love me unless I do everything the Church asks of me.

The Atonement may work for others, but not for me -- God could never forgive what I've done.

A loving God wouldn't keep me and my husband apart in the next life, so we don't need to be sealed.



But, those are beliefs...not doctrine.  I keep thinking of following the prophets...when we are close to the Brethern, we are close to the Lord.  That's not to say that we must blindly follow...we must have our own testimony of the prophet and his divine call.  I've never heard the Brethern say any of those things.  But I have heard Satan use those tactics. 

So my question is this...how do we combat those evil thoughts that become such a part of us?  I'm sure that others have thought at least one of those thoughts and probably even believed them.  Of course we would never in a million years say that outloud to anyone...after all we know what the scriptures say.  But, in our self-speak, we use those thoughts.  What must we do to overcome that and purge it from our psyche?

 



__________________
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

"Heck" is for people who don't believe in "Gosh."
Smaug


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 124
Date:
Permalink  

There sure are a lot of false doctrines out there. And false beliefs. I ran across this thread, just this morning: http://www.funtrivia.com/bb.cfm?action=details&qnid=16547&boardid=29



__________________
"Oh be wise, what can I say more?" Check out my blog at smaugsmusings.blogspot.com
Cat Herder


Understander of unimportant things

Status: Offline
Posts: 4126
Date:
Permalink  

Sumtimes, one just wishes he could say to them folks when they sees sumfin liken the website to what you jes gave... "Hey all y'alls! Yer ignerunz is a-showin'!" rolleyes

__________________
It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Smaug


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 124
Date:
Permalink  

Yup. Ah seen a durn sight more intellingen' folk down at the DMV. :)

__________________
"Oh be wise, what can I say more?" Check out my blog at smaugsmusings.blogspot.com
Jen


Senior Bucketkeeper

Status: Offline
Posts: 1599
Date:
Permalink  

Right. Who needs hygiene?

__________________
"There is order in the way the Lord reveals His will to mankind. . .we cannot receive revelation for someone else's stewardship." L. Tom Perry
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.
Bountiful -> LDS Discussions -> Myths, False Beliefs, and False Traditions
Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse 		Powered by ActiveBoard