My son was telling me that his brother-in-law wishes to be sponsered. His wife (and mother of his three children) cannot because she only makes $23,000/year. Not enough to support him (according to immigration). My son explained that he could not sponser him because he is not a close enough relative. I, thus, came to the conclusion that the anti-immigration mantra that one new immigrant could bring in 20 doesn't hold water.
My son also told me that his wife, now a permenant resident, can not get any federal assistance - such as WIC, food stamps, medical or housing assistance. One of the requires of legal immigration is that you waive any rights to such things. BUT her sisters, non-legal immigrants are on WIC, food stamps, etc.. What is the incentive to become legal for some of these immgrants?
Another situation he told me of (and he says this is not uncommon- maybe not common though), a man (working under a false number and SSN) makes $35.00 an hour in construction. Yet his children get free lunches, breakfasts, medical assistance. I asked how that can be and my son reminded me that since the name he works under is false, there is nothing that indicates their actual income.
Hopefully, what I hear of the new president of Mexico is true. That he desires to improve the economy of Mexico.
My understanding is lots of the illegal immigrants receive less than the wage the man in your story receives. That is sad if he is abusing the system that way.
I know of someone who recently lost a family member who was killed in a car accident, apparently by someone who was inebriated. The person who caused the accident was also an illegal immigrant. So supposedly this person had no license. Hearing that really made me mad, I think as there is the hope that at least a legal immigrant might have been a safer driver,etc
A lot of the wrongs associated with immigration would be clear if one could understand the reason President Bush & Co. and many in Congress are pushing for amnesty for illegal immigrants, freedom to immigrate, the North American Union, the super highway and railway route from Mexico into the USA, etc. I have no doubt the economy of Mexico will be improved - at the expense of the US and Canada.
In investigating these issues, one needs to be careful of one's sources.
In investigating these issues, one needs to be careful of one's sources.
Hee hee... this came from Lundie! ;)
--Ray
A person who has always been careful with his sources and quoted them clearly. Whereas you resort to the ad hominem attack.
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Ray, I think you need to seriously think about how you interact with others.
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Ray simply had the lack of self-control to express the same thought others of us also had (right, wrong, or indifferent) when we saw the statement... nothing against Lundbaek (hey, we love ya man, even if by saying that you still won't give us your rootbeer! )
You can't fault Ray for pressing libertarians' buttons... y'all should know by now it is a favority past time of non-libertarians to get an annoyed rise out of all y'alls. Besides, in real life, we'd be far too polite to do it in person at church...
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Actually I just quoted Lundie, and then attributed the quote to him, which I thought was funny... (hence the Hee-Hee) If you thought I had a hidden agenda, well... you need to show proof of that hidden agenda by quoting documentation, explaining my through process in detail... (good luck with that) unless of course opining on any hidden agenda is now illegal... which then would disqualify all sorts of stuff...
I'm not hot on discussing the hidden hand behind inexplicable events, but here's a perl module that I'm currently using... to help us all ponder the deep hidden agenda I have at work right now... --Ray
Ray simply had the lack of self-control to express the same thought others of us also had (right, wrong, or indifferent) when we saw the statement... nothing against Lundbaek (hey, we love ya man, even if by saying that you still won't give us your rootbeer! )
You can't fault Ray for pressing libertarians' buttons... y'all should know by now it is a favority past time of non-libertarians to get an annoyed rise out of all y'alls. Besides, in real life, we'd be far too polite to do it in person at church...
Bullying doesn't become alright just because the crowd agrees with it, Cat. Or do we no longer strive to be civil here?
Lundie typically uses as his sources prophets, prominent church members, etc. So it is weird that you consider him to be a person who typically uses questionable sources.
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Bullying doesn't become alright just because the crowd agrees with it, Cat. Or do we no longer strive to be civil here?
Lundie typically uses as his sources prophets, prominent church members, etc. So it is weird that you consider him to be a person who typically uses questionable sources.
I didn't know that Ray's comments amounted to being uncivil.
Really, folks would benefit by just relaxing and not taking themselves so seriously.
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
My niece (via MrCoco) just married an illegal, at least I think he is... But I guess he won't be for long, now... He has a good construction type thing going on and I think he'll actually "add" to the good of the country... I hope, anyway. We'll see if he gets his citizenship and then splits or something...
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I think I mentioned this on the food stamp thread, but it amazes me how many people are on welfare. And, a large majority of them are immigrants (legal or illegal). I had a lady at work the other day who spoke broken english, and her children had medicaid, but they also had private insurance. The way medicaid is set up, if you have private insurance, then everything must be billed to them first, then medicaid picks up what's left over.
I tried dual billing her prescriptions and it appeared that medicaid had no idea that she had other insurance. So, I couldn't bill it to both and ended up taking it off her primary insurance, giving her a refund and billing them to medicaid.
She explained that she didn't have the other insurance when her kids received medicaid and had since gotten a job that provided it. I suggested to her that she should let medicaid know she has other insurance, because if you are on any kind of government program like that you are required to let them know if there are any changes to your finances, insurance or whatever. (It is possible for a person to have both). She thanked me and left. She was very nice about it. It didn't occur to her that she should let them know about her change in insurance status.
I don't know if she will let them know or not, but I do know if you are on medicaid and they find out sometime down the road that you have other insurance they don't look too kindly on that. They have been known to go back and bill you "personally" for everything they ever shelled out for you.
My point is it is mind boggling how many foreigners (and legal americans for that matter) have know clue how the system works. But, they certainly know how to "work" the system to get what they want.
We had our kids on medicaid during the period when I was without work. When we got our new job and new insurance, we called to cancel medicaid and it was actually DIFFICULT to get them off. Apparently they don't like to do it more often than at year increments. Then again, most companies you work get really bent out of shape if you make benefit changes more than once a year, so it may just be a beauracratic thing that I don't understand but the benefits people do...
--Ray
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Well, I think they have certain spending caps depending upon your elligibility. But you're right it's administered very unevenly... The HR department in most businesses are much better structured to manage a lot of this than the government which must account for every bizarre combination of circumstances in which there's both employed, underemployed and unemployed, disabled and all the rest... Most businesses just don't bother with those folks, cuz they're not employees, they're customers! ;)
--Ray
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5 But, said he, notwithstanding our afflictions, we have obtained a land of promise, a land which is choice above all other lands; a land which the Lord God hath covenanted with me should be a land for the inheritance of my seed. Yea, the Lord hath covenanted this land unto me, and to my children forever, and also all those who should be led out of other countries by the hand of the Lord.
6 Wherefore, I, Lehi, prophesy according to the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord.
7 Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.
Do you believe this has any application to our current debate on immigration?
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That part that you italicized- "...there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord." Do you take that literally? Like the 9/11 pilots and *everyone*? Like, whoever ends up here one way or another, it's the Lord's Will?
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But I guess he won't be for long, now... He has a good construction type thing going on and I think he'll actually "add" to the good of the country... I hope, anyway. We'll see if he gets his citizenship and then splits or something...
