Cooking with Booze

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Cooking with Booze

Valhalla · Profuse Pontificator

To me this really seems like the "straining at a gnat" thing. It is like an article I once saw in the German version of the Ensign. There was an article on the caffeine content of chocolate. There was even a chart comparing the caffeine content of various chocolates. In temple recommend interviews, people were being asked if they drank Coke or Pepsi. I was asked that by my mission president too.

Too much of anything is not good for you, too much water can kill you. To me, there is minute traces and amounts after cooking that is not an issue.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

If you had the tequilla lime chicken from one of those chain restuarants it may have just had flavoring in it and not the booze. If you are really concerned you can call the restuarant and find out.

What wrong with deer meat balls?

arbilad · Head Chef

Valhalla wrote:

To me this really seems like the "straining at a gnat" thing. It is like an article I once saw in the German version of the Ensign. There was an article on the caffeine content of chocolate. There was even a chart comparing the caffeine content of various chocolates. In temple recommend interviews, people were being asked if they drank Coke or Pepsi. I was asked that by my mission president too.

Too much of anything is not good for you, too much water can kill you. To me, there is minute traces and amounts after cooking that is not an issue.

You're probably right, Valhalla. I view this discussion as an intellectual exercise. I don't plan to stop using vanilla, and I don't really think that it's a WoW violation.

About the caffeine in chocolate thing, that's a non issue to me as well. We have never been told by the bretheren that the WoW prohibits caffeine. Some people have interpreted that in, believing that caffeine must be the reason why we can't drink coffee. Then they accept the prohibition of caffeine as a given, and start worrying about other foods that have caffeine. The substance in chocolate isn't even caffeine, although chemically it's very close.

Nor am I going to worry that, if I'm eating tomatoes (which I only do because my wonderful wife makes me) that I'm eating something which is very similar to the tobacco plant. In fact, a tomato plant will grow on tobacco roots. I do not even stop to consider that I'm breaking the WoW, because I obviously am not.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

Arb, remember that the non disclosure agreement you signed with Tomacolatte Inc. prohibits discussion of the process of combining members of the nightshade family. I know Cat will probably be sending out the cease and desist letter via the lawfirm of Weasil, Shark, and Slipperyslope.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

I've also instructed the sales department to accidentaly "lose" any order forms e-mailed, faxed, or mailed in from him... And, I've had security take his contractor id badge and escort him from the plant...

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

On my mission, our neighbors fixed us a 4th of July BBQ. I took one bite of a hamburger and asked-

SisCoco- "What kind of meat is this?"
Neighbor- "Deer!" with a big grin because I had declined eating deer before and just wasn't planning on making it a "regular" food of mine...
SisCoco- "Oh, really... (pause) ... Where'd you get the deer?"
Neighbor- "Our landlord picked it up off the side of the road!" another big grin...

That's it!! SisCoco goes in the apt. and almost pukes.

Anyone else had roadkill besides me?

arbilad · Head Chef

Cat Herder wrote:

I've also instructed the sales department to accidentaly "lose" any order forms e-mailed, faxed, or mailed in from him... And, I've had security take his contractor id badge and escort him from the plant...

Too bad I changed the root password on all the servers before being escorted out. You may notice an order for 4 containers worth going to Tanzania. Then again, you may not, unless you can convince the computer to show you

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

Arrrgghhhh!! The plane to Tanzania just left!!!!

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

Is it straining at a gnat to want to set a good example for kids who are often looking for the wrong message about alcohol consumption?

--Ray

PS> My parents didn't let me have bubblegum cigarrettes either... now, you can't find them to save your life... :)

-- Edited by rayb at 12:03, 2007-07-26

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Ray... not only were we in the same Mortality Prep class... our parents could have been in the same regional organization of FMPLD (Future Mortal Parents of the Latter-Day for those who don't remember that pre-existence vocational club)

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Bubblegum cigarettes do still exist. I've seen them in stores within the last 3 years or you could google 'em and have gobs to pick from. I thought you might need to know, Ray, since it's to save your life and all.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

I've seen the cigs too. I was a chaparone for a school trip to old Sacramento. That was the first thing all the kids wanted to buy. We were warned not to let them buy them before hand by the teachers but even if we hadn't been told, I wouldn't have let them. My daughter didn't even consider it knowing our standards but one kid gave me the stink eye when I said no.

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

Oooh and don't forget all those sugar alcohols --sorbitol, mannitol, xylitol. All you Trident chewers out there -- REPENT!

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

Bok's Standard Response (A poem, by RayB)

No more Talkie
Mocky! Mocky!
Stinky Socky!
Mocky! Mocky!
Not Quite Spocky,
Mocky Mocky!
There goes Bokky
Mocky! Mocky!

-- Edited by rayb at 16:13, 2007-07-26

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

nitasmile · Senior Member

salesortonscom wrote:

If you had the tequilla lime chicken from one of those chain restuarants it may have just had flavoring in it and not the booze. If you are really concerned you can call the restuarant and find out.

What wrong with deer meat balls?

Thanks for the idea. The problem w/the deer meat meetballs is that the family KNEW we didn't care for venison yet snuck that type of meat into the meat balls. So they asked how we liked the spaghetti, we said it was good (though not really that great) and they said something akin to "Ah Ha- it had deer meat in the meatballs!"

Add me to those who weren't allowed bubblegum cigarettes- it is so funny you all brought this up. I have sharing time this week and the monthly theme is on our family can grow close to Jesus Christ in faith, etc. We are supposed to emhasize FHE, prayer, scripture study. As part of this, since my dad is nonLDS, I am including mention of a couple of his good teachings and will tell the kids how years before I joined the church or even heard of the Wof W, my dad said no to the gum cigarettes as he didn't think they were a good idea, etc

nitasmile · Senior Member

Cocobeem wrote:

On my mission, our neighbors fixed us a 4th of July BBQ. I took one bite of a hamburger and asked-

SisCoco- "What kind of meat is this?"
Neighbor- "Deer!" with a big grin because I had declined eating deer before and just wasn't planning on making it a "regular" food of mine...
SisCoco- "Oh, really... (pause) ... Where'd you get the deer?"
Neighbor- "Our landlord picked it up off the side of the road!" another big grin...

That's it!! SisCoco goes in the apt. and almost pukes.

Anyone else had roadkill besides me?

Hopefully not. But when I was in a walking area in ID, I know we walked past cut up deer- ie seeing a head lying somewhere in the yard and other body parts lying elsewhere. To me that is disrespectful to the deer, not to mention unpleasant to view. They should do what they need to do and then put the meat in the freezer. I would hope people wouldn't eat it if it had been lying out in the yard like that- yuck!

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Someone put a deer head in my driveway when I was in high school. Scared the crap out of me. Thanks for reminding, nita!

Hey! Maybe when you run into *that one guy* you can just picture a deer head and you won't be so nervous-whacko around him!

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

nitasmile wrote:

Cocobeem wrote:

On my mission, our neighbors fixed us a 4th of July BBQ. I took one bite of a hamburger and asked-

SisCoco- "What kind of meat is this?"
Neighbor- "Deer!" with a big grin because I had declined eating deer before and just wasn't planning on making it a "regular" food of mine...
SisCoco- "Oh, really... (pause) ... Where'd you get the deer?"
Neighbor- "Our landlord picked it up off the side of the road!" another big grin...

That's it!! SisCoco goes in the apt. and almost pukes.

Anyone else had roadkill besides me?

Hopefully not. But when I was in a walking area in ID, I know we walked past cut up deer- ie seeing a head lying somewhere in the yard and other body parts lying elsewhere. To me that is disrespectful to the deer, not to mention unpleasant to view. They should do what they need to do and then put the meat in the freezer. I would hope people wouldn't eat it if it had been lying out in the yard like that- yuck!

I would, much cleaner than a modern animal processing plant. We've become so far removed from the raising and slaughtering of our food that we either don't think about it at all or have this misguided fantasy view of the animals living in a white sterile room with music playing and that the animals are put to sleep. I'm not trying to be graphic or anything but the difference between a deer, cow, pig, sheep, chicken, buffalo, elk, antelope, dog, etc is all in the mind.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Yeah, the little step to cannilbalism ain't that far, neither.

Poncho29 · Senior Bucketkeeper

Didn't someone mention NyQuil somewhere earlier in this thread?

Anywho it was really slow at work today and I was reading a magazine and they asked some celebrity, "What do you like to do for fun?" and the guy answered, "I drink lot's of NyQuil. They don't call you an alcoholic if you drink NyQuil."

If that is that guy's idea of fun...well, ya gotta wonder about some people.

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

ewwwwww... that stuff is even more nasty smelling than booze and just the smell booze on someone makes ME want to retch!

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

I've seen a NyQuil drunk a time or two. It's not pretty.

-- Edited by hiccups at 23:40, 2007-07-28

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Allright, which one of you WoW thumpers came and stole my extracts because I admitted I don't always cook all the alcohol off?

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

me!

You big baby.

Since I'm pretty close to an alcoholic right now, I can tell you one thing... they were one of those families that did "beer" chicken recipes, and such... and I have to wonder if you have a propensity to become addicted to alcohol, or have been in the past, if making dishes with marsala wine, and beer, and such... if those aren't sort of a way to revive old cravings, if you aren't careful...

--Ray

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Yeah, if I start doing shots of vanilla extract, you can worry about me. However, if I'm just using a half teaspoon in a chill set pie I think I'll be fine.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

GIVE BACK MY VANILLA & LEMON EXTRACTS!!

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

Nah I'm thinking about how you have cooking wine and such... or if you make beer battered fish or something, and then well... didn't need ALL the beer, what should I do with it?

Pretty soon your Barney Gumble lying in the street...

--Ray

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Duh, if you don't drink all the beer, you use it to wash your hair. It makes it nice and shiny. biggrin

Poncho29 · Senior Bucketkeeper

I got some extracts you can have Hiccups. Almond extract is a good one and my daughter asked me just yesterday how one gets banana extract.

Pssst... I'll slip some extra beer for ya too if ya need it. But I don't recommend washing your hair with it. I would think it make your hair stinky.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Enough hairspray or gel would cover the scent just fine

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Just rinse with Scope.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

I like to rinse my hair with rootbeer. A&W frosty mug head!

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

I allow my locks to just fly in the breeze naturally.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

That's so Adam and Eve...

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

...before the fruit.

arbilad · Head Chef

I was just wondering. Is it possible to buy vanilla without alcohol? I know that in Russia it's possible. It's a white powder that you use in recipes. My wife likes to use it for putting on a male cat's nose at shows so that he can't smell the females in heat. But we don't use it for cooking because I don't know where there's a ready supply.

Poncho29 · Senior Bucketkeeper

Couldn't tell ya Arbi. Sorry. I never seen vanilla come in a powder form. Doesn't mean it's not available, just haven's seen it.

Dyany · Senior Member

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/detail.jsp?id=1050

WARNING: if you like baking, this site is horrifically addictive.

ETA: this is a link for vanilla powder. Since apparently some people didn't get it.

-- Edited by Dyany at 18:35, 2007-11-20

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

A vanilla powder for flavouring is available in Europe. I understand that the lliquid vanilla extract is made by soaking vanilla beans in grain alcohol. I suppose gin or vodka will work just fine.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

Oh yea it works just fine alrighty!

Toni · Newbie

Blame Mirkwood for introducing me to this old thread.

You can buy vanilla beans. I hear that you can put them in sugar and they flavor the sugar (no need for vanilla extract for the cookies biggrin

). I put mine vodka (I make my own herbal tinctures).

I bought candy cigarettes a few times when I was a kid (not gum). If you blew through the center a puff of white dust would come out. I never thought of asking my mom (I was 12 or older) but she probably would not have liked the idea. Even at that age, I figured the candy was to train kids to want to smoke.

I thought that the beer didn't make your hair stink. ?

A lady gave me some candy once. She said it was mocha. As a kid, I had no clue what that meant. I put it in my mouth and immediately spit it back out! Yuck. What a horrible taste!

DMGNUT · Veteran Member

I cooked in restaurants for years, and with only very few exceptions (where more is left), there will be only trace elements of the alcohol remaining. As was already pointed out, you'll get more alcohol out of your cookie dough and Nyquil. Adding alcohol to chili, shrimp mornay, or whatever you're cooking, really is, just about the flavor.
Still, I see the point and agree that it should be an individual decision, and those who do not want it in their food, should be informed if some is present in a dish they are served. Having said that however... I'm just fine with it.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

Strong drink killed my dad maybe 20-30 years early, and all thru my teenage years working part time in a country club I witnessed the ravages of it in the lives of many other people and families.

Having said that, stop by some evening, DMGNUT, and I'll treat you to an O'Doul's. At less than 0,5% alcohol, it's safer than the common narco drinks.

We use cooking wine or sherry in certain dishes, but the alcohol is long eevaporated out before it's on the plate.

Biggest problem with buying wine for cooking and also the O'Doul's is getting it out of the supermarket unseen by some other member(s) of the stake who would probably judge on appearance.

-- Edited by lundbaek on Saturday 2nd of January 2010 09:24:51 PM

DMGNUT · Veteran Member

Lundbaek, you crack me up...
I'll pass on the Odouls. As a convert I most certainly did drink, but gave it all up with the coffee when we joined the church. I don't miss or crave for the alcohol at all, and although I don't miss the heart burn that the coffee had begun to give me, I sure do still enjoy the smell, when I walk down the coffee isle at Frys.
But the French Vanilla creamer in my hot cocoa, keeps me plenty happy.

historian · Senior Member

Welcome, MG guy!

I'm a convert, too, but that was a long time ago. In my younger years I thought the coffee aroma was wonderful, but now it just smells bitter to me. No loss.

Glad that you have found substitutes that please you.