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more like Italian...

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I think we should all start learning Klingon. Both Mexico and Canada should learn it also. Its a third party neutral language. This way everyone would have to be bilingual. Then we would have a Klingon translation of the BOM. I'm sure there are plenty of Klingon words to describe the glorious battles in the BOM.

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Ker-Plop!

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That's Klingon for "I love burritos."

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What's Kling-on for, "But they don't love me" ?

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I believe that would be the variant of Ker-Plop: Ker-Plop-Plop.
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Back in my "closet" trekkie days, I actually bought the Klingon dictionary on a lark for fun once... I was pretty peeved when two of my brothers-in-law (my in-laws were responsible for making me a "closet" trekkie... evil in-laws! wink.gif) used it as a support for their wobbly kitchen table and letting the family's petprismatiel chew on it... I mean, come on, I know it is only for fun, but if you guys destroyed the book, the least you could have done was gone out and replaced it or paid me back the $14.95 (or whatever it was) I paid to Borders for it a week or so earlier...

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Ray has excoriated the Republicans for defeating the recent immigration bill, saying that the bill would have at least given us some of the things conservatives wanted, whereas right now conservatives have nothing. That's only partly right. We have the laws and resources we need to close the border. We lack leaders who are willing to do it. A congressman from Texas was on the Bill O'Reilly radio show today. He mentioned that with existing resources and agents, they have totally shut down the border near Del Rio. He says that they're now catching 100% of the immigrants at the border. I doubt that it's quite 100%, since nothing is perfect. He said that the only resource they've added was 3 prosecutors to handle the court cases.
So, with existing laws and resources they have almost totally shut down that section of the border. We don't need new laws for that. What we need is leaders willing to enforce those laws. Bush wants the illegals to come in. So, in a way, Ray is right; we don't have what we need. But it isn't a new law we need to add. It's new leaders we need. So vote for someone for president who will enforce our borders.

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Can't you just tell me whom to vote for, so I don't have to do all this research myself? biggrin.gif

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Cocobeem wrote:

Can't you just tell me whom to vote for, so I don't have to do all this research myself? biggrin.gif



 Sure! Vote for Ron Paul. But do your research anyway.



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See, I'd rather rely on other people's research who I know share my basic beliefs and are more adept at analysis and apparently have made the research itself a higher priority... I'd rather play blocks on the floor or read Dr. Seuss or do flashcard games. Or dink around on the Internet...

...or bake cookies with experimental recipes.

...or read my horse magazines.

...or go train/ride the horses.

...or pretty much anything. wink.gif

I watched Ron Paul on the debates. He's awesome. handshake.gif Agreed.

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Here's why you should vote for Ron Paul:  Arbi and I don't agree on very many things.  However, I believe that at this point, Ron Paul best represents my political values, and I think Arbi believes the same.  A candidate who can transcend the disagreements at Bountiful, and unite people who have opposing perspectives on many issues,  deserves your vote!

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One last measuring rod-- is ray voting for him? wink.gif

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Roper wrote:

Here's why you should vote for Ron Paul: 

1.  Arbi and I don't agree on very many things. 
2.  Ron Paul best represents my political values

Ummm, sure... those are real compelling reasons...  weirdface       wink



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More compelling than the sound bites and mudslinging that 95% of the population will base their decisions on.

If it's good for Arbi and Roper, it should be good for everyone!

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Ray, I think roper and Arbi are trying to edge us out as wonder twins! wink.gif

Time for us to put our super hero rings together and defeat this villiany...


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I just don't get it. Both of you guys are intelligent and reasonable (or at least come off that way online wink.gif ) I just don't understand how Ron Paul can appeal to you....



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Ron Paul appeals to me because he is the only congressman since Democrat Larry MacDonald who has adhered to constitutional and moral principles 100%.  And since it has been made clear to me by scriptures and certain General Authorities that the Lord is the author of the US Constitution, I have little patience with congressmen, presidents and judges who cause or permit violations of it or its principles.  Another thing I like about Ron Paul is that he is the only current congressman and presidential candidate who has stated, however discretely, his awareness of a conspiracy to overthrow the American Republic and its Constitution & Bill Of Rights in order to set up and usher in a totalitarian World Government.  He has acknowledged to my satisfaction what we are up against in salvaging our constitutional republic.

Many Americans are being deceived by the same treatment that the media gave Barry Goldwater now being given to Ron Paul.  The ulterior motive of Ron Paul's opponents, including the media, is to keep him from exposing more clearly just how corrupt our government has become and how far along the USA is in losing its sovereignty to regional, and then world government.  



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lundbaek wrote:

 

Ron Paul appeals to me because he is the only congressman since Democrat Larry MacDonald who has adhered to constitutional and moral principles 100%. And since it has been made clear to me by scriptures and certain General Authorities that the Lord is the author of the US Constitution, I have little patience with congressmen, presidents and judges who cause or permit violations of it or its principles.

What Lundbaek said.

 



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rolleyes

Lundie, you make me look so sane, it's downright scary.  I don't know if I can handle the responsibility of being the voice of reason.....



-- Edited by fear of shiz at 23:32, 2007-07-13

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You may be the lone voice, shiz, but you're not the only one thinking it.

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I don't recall if I shared this with this forum at the time, so in case I didn't, here goes.

In a talk in a devotional service on Wednesday, this past 21 March, for Church and Family History missionaries, Elder Henry Eyring of the 12 made comments about increasing immigration into America which I hope I understood correctly.  He said he had earlier in the day been in a  meeting with other General Authorities in which the matter was  discussed.  I understood him to say that we can expect more immigrations into America, bringing more influence from other cultures that will impact our country.  Many will bring their own cultures with them and not assimilate well or at all.  There is nothing we can do about it, and we will have to accept it, and should accept it without prejudice.  I sensed a stress on the acceptance without prejudice. 
I compared notes with a colleague and with our branch president, who were both present.  I'm sorry I cannot quote Elder Eyring, but I think I got the message straight.  His comments on this subject were brief and slipped in unexpectedly. 

It leaves me wondering if I should give up my own efforts to prevent illegal immigration.  I'm trying not to read anything more into what Elder Eyring said, but I wonder if we should just welcome immigrants, legal or illegal.  It was clear that he said we can do nothing about it, or to stop it.  I'm not the sort to roll over and play dead, and I continue to write my congressmen in D.C. and my state representative and senator concerning issues involving illegal immigration and the North American Union, which reportedly is being organized as a merger to a considerable extent of Canada, the USA, and Mexico. 


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I picture Ron Paul dancing, all wet, bellerin' "Singin' In The Rain" and I get the warm fuzzies...

I know beyond a doubt God wants me to vote for him.


Besides, I had this dream last night where Satan was asking me to help him with one little thing, like it would just take a moment... I said, "What?" He said, "Help me marry the political leaders." I'm thinking, "Just take a second??" I'll probably be DEAD before that all-- wait a minute! He's saying he wants to "get in bed" with all the political leaders, like they will do his bidding and follow him, etc... It was actually kind of a weird dream...

-- Edited by Cocobeem at 16:53, 2007-07-14

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*backs away from Coco slowly*

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What's wrong, Euph, don'tcha wanna SAVE me???

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Roper, I think that where we differ usually is our approach to solve a problem. For instance, would it be fair to say that we both want latinos to be gainfully employed, have enough for their needs, and have an intact family? We may differ sharply on how that should be accomplished, but the goal is the same. We also both want our nation to be secure, and for our constitutional rights to be safeguarded.
Ron Paul actually creates strange bed fellows. I know the president of a software company in Sacramento who is quite a liberal fellow, but more liberal libertarian than liberal democrat. He thinks that Ron Paul is a good candidate, and there's a chance that he might vote for him.

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Coco: Sorry to disappoint everyone, but I have no desire to vote for Ron Paul. I'm actually not a huge fan of libertarian political candidates because I think many of them promote anarchy in terms of policies for the sake of their own personal agendae--but that's just me...

I'm glad he's in the debates, but I'm still gunning for Romney... though I like McCain too (which I know none of you like, and you're all now hating me more and more... but I swear everytime I hear him speak about Iraq and terrorism, I think he's the most honest and principaled about it).

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Mahonri, be careful... sounds like ray (who has admitted to kind of liking McCain some) may actually be the Anti-Romney! wink.gif

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Ray, Ron Paul has aligned himself with the Libertarian ideal of strict adherence to the Constitution, but he's a Republican and in no way advocates anything close to anarchy.  There's a good wiki article about him and his web site explains his political views quite comprehensively.  Take a look when you get a few minutes.

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Um... cat. when i said i was gunning for Romney, I meant that I like him more than any of the other candidates. Honestly I think he has the most executive experience of the lot, and he's the least scandal-ridden... unless mormonism is a scandal, and if that's the case, it's the kind of scandal I'm all for... :) 

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My main problem with voting for Ron Paul, is I think it will be a total waste. Sort of like how Perot got in there and we got Clinton for it... ? But maybe it's more about making a personal stand than the actual outcome...?

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