Actually, Shiz, that is the issue that Tancredo is running on, but it won't be enough to get him into the whitehouse. He is famous in Colorado and other parts for being very militantly anti-immigration.
I'm sickened by the compromise too.

This is all about money and power. The dems want the added voters and the donations from their liberal supporters. The repubs want the $$$ from business contributors. It makes me sick. Political suicide. I'm about ready to change my party to independent and I probably will after the primary when liberal Gulianni is handed the nomination. Bunch of sell outs!!!!

So far, from what I've heard, this immigration bill is full of significant and important reforms, including things like who is allowed to come with a person applying for a "Z Visa". Prior laws allowed applicants to include all their extended family (aunt's, uncles, etc...) whereas now it is restricted solely to the immediate children (they must be under the age of 18) and spouse. If we were to enforce the bill, I think it wouldn't be half bad. All of these opportunities are contingent upon the immigrant returning to their country during the process, and paying a substantial penalty. All of these opportunities in the bill are contingent upon border improvements (albeit many are unfunded at this point) protection. I think it's important to understand from whom you get your information about this bill... hopefully you'll take the time to read and understand the 1000 page document that defines this landmark reform. 

It is unfortunate thatthat Ted Kennedy is taking a lot of credit for it, but most of the ideas in it don't come from him.

--Ray

That's really the central problem, and no amount of legislation, no matter our seemingly "tough" is gonna fix that problem...

--Ray

Maybe Cat we should offer to carry them on litters over the border. Come on!! This deal is really too good to believe. The end result is amnesty. I doubt any real enforcement will take place or real border security. This is a win for the illegals and yet they still complain!!!!

I actually like the bill. But I don't trust the government to do what the bill says they are supposed to do.

All the modifications are for our benefit to accept the legislation. The only enforcing the government does on the border is imprison border patrol agents for doing their job. Withhold evidence from the jury and make deals with drug dealers. Even the national guard are not allowed to shoot back when fired upon.

Thousands come across daily and they aren't here to work the fields. Hundreds of OTM (other than Mexican) have been coming across the borders, many carrying Potassium Iodide tablets (to ward off radiation poisoning). AQ has been sneaking in and linking up with MS13 and Aryan Nation members, making arrangement for arms deals.

This stinks to high heaven. One has to wonder the IQ level on Capital Hill. If not that, then what do they have up their sleeve. SPP perhaps?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~r110hGAqUm::

Part of Dana Rohrabacher 's (R-CA)  speech in the House 5/22/07

Mr. ROHRABACHER. Madam Speaker, a tsunami of illegal aliens is sweeping into our country, crowding our classrooms, closing our hospital emergency rooms, unleashing violent crime, and driving down wages.

This is not theory. It is a harsh, threatening reality borne out not by numerous academic studies, but by the life experiences of the American families from California to Georgia and from Iowa to New Jersey.

Our middle class is being destroyed. Our communities are not safe. Our social service infrastructure is collapsing. And, yes, it has everything to do with illegal immigration, illegal immigration which is out of control. And year after year, while our schools deteriorate and our jails fill and our hospital emergency rooms shut down, the elite in this country turns a blind eye to the disaster that is befalling the rest of us, their fellow Americans. The elites obscure the issue and maneuver to keep in place policies that reward illegal immigrants with jobs and benefits, and now, of course, being rewarded with citizenship.

This country, the upper class says, can't function without cheap labor.

Well, cheap to the captains of industry and the political elite, but painfully expensive to America's middle class. It's our kids whose education is being diminished, our families who are paying thousands more in health insurance to make up for the hospital costs of giving free service to illegals. It's our neighborhoods who suffer from crime perpetuated by criminals transported here from other countries. And, yes, our livelihoods are being dragged down as wages are depressed and anchored down by a constant influx of immigrants, mostly illegal, some with H1B visas, willing to work at a pittance.

Big business, with its hold on the GOP, in an unholy alliance with the liberal left coalition that controls the Democratic Party, have been responsible for this invasion of our country, this attack on the well-being of our people. This coalition gives the jobs and passes out the benefits that lured tens of millions of illegals to our country. It's no accident. This predicament was predictable. It's been over 20 years of bad policy in the making. If you give jobs and benefits, the masses of people over there will do anything to get over here. And that's what we've been doing. Give it and they will come. Surprise, surprise.

Now the out-of-touch elite has introduced yet another piece of legislation, this so-called comprehensive reform bill that they claim will fix our illegal immigration crisis once and for all. Of course, this is a crisis they created. They are trumpeting the supposedly new enforcement measures and security measures that will be initiated in this bill, the border fence, new agents, new employer sanctions, if only we will swallow hard and give amnesty to those law-breakers who are already here.

Like Lucy holding out the football for Charlie Brown to kick, the bill is yet another effort to trick us. It's an illusion, a scam that will make things worse, not better.

. . .

The immigration legislation being foisted upon us will create a different America with a permanent alien underclass, people who may or may not share our Democratic values and may or may not be loyal to America's ideals. It is time for patriots to act, to stand up and be heard. Be angry. Call on elected officials to be held accountable.

This supposed comprehensive immigration bill must be defeated, and I would call on my fellow Members of Congress and the American people to join in this fight. We need every patriot to be activated now to save America.

Convert, I agree about Hatch(et) man. In fact, most politicos appall me. For the last two presidential elections I voted Constitution Party - Howard Phillips in 2000 and Mike Peroutka in 2004. It's a great feeling, knowing that my vote did not contribute to current ugliness. And to think that all those years, I was afraid of "throwing my vote away" when that's what I was actually doing -- voting for a liar who said one thing to get elected and then did the opposite once in office.

What I'm wondering is, why don't we simply enforce the laws we have? Stop prosecuting border guards for doing their jobs. Let them patrol areas where thousands of illegal immigrants cross daily. Prosecute employers who hire illegals. If illegals couldn't find work in the US, we wouldn't even have to worry about deporting them. They'd leave.
We don't need new laws. We need to enforce the laws we have.

Does this bill say anything about national ID cards? While they are intended to help figure out who is here illegally, they are going to put the greatest burden on freedom loving Americans who don't want to prove that they are allowed to be here.

In German accent:
Ver are your papers, Schweinhund?

Russian Accent:
Papers please! Or I will shoot you!

Here's a great column by the ever-insightful Peggy Noonan, which captures my feelings about Bush right now quite well:

http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110010148

Key Quotes:

"What I came in time to believe is that the great shortcoming of this White House, the great thing it is missing, is simple wisdom. Just wisdom--a sense that they did not invent history, that this moment is not all there is, that man has lived a long time and there are things that are true of him, that maturity is not the same thing as cowardice, that personal loyalty is not a good enough reason to put anyone in charge of anything, that the way it works in politics is a friend becomes a loyalist becomes a hack, and actually at this point in history we don't need hacks."

"One of the things I have come to think the past few years is that the Bushes, father and son, though different in many ways, are great wasters of political inheritance. They throw it away as if they'd earned it and could do with it what they liked. Bush senior inherited a vibrant country and a party at peace with itself. He won the leadership of a party that had finally, at great cost, by 1980, fought itself through to unity and come together on shared principles. Mr. Bush won in 1988 by saying he would govern as Reagan had. Yet he did not understand he'd been elected to Reagan's third term. He thought he'd been elected because they liked him. And so he raised taxes, sundered a hard-won coalition, and found himself shocked to lose his party the presidency, and for eight long and consequential years. He had many virtues, but he wasted his inheritance."

"Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. He threw away his inheritance."