Gun Town USA

arbilad · Head Chef

Gun Town USA

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Gives a whole new meaning to the "right to bear arms," doesn't it?

Right = obligation / responsibility / duty

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

I've told this story before but it is well worth repeating. I went into a local gun shop that had recently re-opened after a fire. It is a really nice shop catering mainly to real enthusiasts and less to the casual firearms owner. There were a couple other guys in there browsing including a sheriff's deputy. Everyone was very polite and used all their Ps and Qs. I made the comment that I couldn't believe how nice everyone was in a gun shop. The cop said and I quote, "An armed society is a polite society." It's true. If you think a guy might be armed, won't you mind your manners?

Mahonri · Senior Bucketkeeper

Jas,

I love that story... and I'm going to repeat it!

Thanks,

M

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

We never felt our daughters were safer than when a sister who was an FBI agent was called to be Nursery leader, and due to her particular branch of the FBI was encouraged to "pack heat" 24/7... She would keep her pistol in a holster under her arm, always very safe. The cubs loved it when she came and visited them and got to ask her questions. She looked something like Agent Scully too... :)

--Ray

-- Edited by rayb at 23:02, 2007-04-20

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

Back in 1974 - 1976 there was a concerted effort in Massachusetts to pass a bill prohibiting possession of a pistol by private citizens. It was defeated way more the 2 - 1, but MA Senator Kennedy and some others made every effort to circumvent the refendum and push it thru. I believe there will be further such efforts in the USA.

If possession of a pistol were made illegal, by whatever channels, would you:

1.) violate that law and keep a pistol in your possession and reasonably close at hand

2.) stash your pistol(s) where if discovered they could not be traced to you

3.) divest yourself of any and all pistols you might have

How would the 12. Article of Faith influence your action?

The same conditons could apply to long guns at some point. England and Australia have in recent years been hit with such prohibitions, but of course this is America and could never happen here.

arbilad · Head Chef

but of course this is America and could never happen here.

My sarcasm-meter is reading a 10.0

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I'd keep what guns are already in the family (translate- my dad) and probably do #1 and #2. I wouldn't see myself giving up guns voluntarily and I know for a fact my dad wouldn't.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl High School.

At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.

Then there was Suzanne Gratia Hupp, who was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria one day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Suzanne Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics, and had put her pistol in the trunk of her car.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

It was that above mentioned effort in Massachusetts to pass a bill prohibiting possession of a pistol by private citizens that first got me into the political arena. I was active in opposing it and was successful in changing some peoples thinking so they voted against it instead of for it. For me it was a personal wake-up call. I had just purchased a pistol for my wife to have at home in an area where protection of life and properety sometimes became a serious issue.

Mahonri · Senior Bucketkeeper

Yeah, I imagine they can eventually take my guns away from me... from my cold, dead hands.

arbilad · Head Chef

Mahonri wrote:

Yeah, I imagine they can eventually take my guns away from me... from my cold, dead hands.

In the movie Red Dawn, there's a scene where they show a bumper sticker with a statement to that effect. Then they show an enemy soldier taking someone's gun from their cold, dead hand.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Don't mean to sound like a antagonist, but the movie Red Dawn was in many ways a massive jumping of the shark... I mean, come on... a small group of high school jocks carry on a semi-succesful long term guerilla campaign against professional, armored troops armed solely with hunting weapons and the weapons scavenged off the dead?

Of course, I saw the movie the first time with my older sister's ward's YSA at a drive in in Las Vegas the summer before starting BYU, and I thought it was an eery kind of movie... but of course, it was made to be a feel good movie as a metaphor so we would be more supportive of the noble mujahedeen in Afghanistan fighting the occupying USSR... the USSR is now gone, and a certain part of that "noble" mujahedeen transformed into Al Qaida and fighting us because they didn't have their fill of blood over the decades of fighting the USSR or other factions within Afghanistan...

We now return you to your regularly scheduled rant about what ever it is y'all are ranting about.

Mahonri · Senior Bucketkeeper

Cat,

I grew up in a high school where I think we could have pulled it off, just like they did in Red Dawn. Shucks, if you weren't a crack shot and didn't go deer hunting you were either a queer or a ZUR. (long story short... ZUR was a name given by a seminary teacher to those who would sneek off campus to smoke cigarettes and pot inbetween classes and during lunch- ZUR= Zion's Unruly Rebels)

Of course technology and all has changed a bunch since that movie was made.

OK, NOW back to the regularly scheduled programming.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Unfortunately, I went to a high school that was ranked #14th preppiest in the nation... Our football players, while usually decent on the playing field, were wimps and couldn't cut the two weeks of physical conditioning involved before wrestling season started. So, maybe we wrestlers could have managed, since our team captain went to West Point, and then of course with the assistance of this here Eagle Scout and the other guys from my ward that were on the team...

If there was no SDR (s**, dr***, rock n' roll) involved, I doubt many in my highschool would have taken interest, particularly if there was nothing social or high fashion involved. I mean, the typical mindset was Caddyshack / Risky Business / Breakfast Club / Ferris Bueler's Day Off. Of course, I had the distinction of being the only active LDS in a graduating class of over 500, and there was only one other LDS in my class. Of a school of over 2K, there were about 10 of us altogether. Let's just say I was quite remembered and quite the celebrity when I showed up to our 20 year reunion about 3 years ago.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

WOLVERINES!!!!!

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

See, that's another thing... who ever heard of Colorado Wolverines? Movie about a town in Colorado, using a Michigan sports mascot, filmed in Arizona...

Wolverines belong in Ann Arbor. Of course, had they been Buckeyes and cried out "BUCKEYES!" all the time, the movie would not have lasted as long... cuz the communists in Red Dawn were only up against the B team... had they been up against Buckeyes (ergo the A team), they would have been sent off with their tails between their legs

Roper · Senior Bucketkeeper

Cat Herder wrote:

Don't mean to sound like a antagonist, but the movie Red Dawn was in many ways a massive jumping of the shark... I mean, come on... a small group of high school jocks carry on a semi-succesful long term guerilla campaign against professional, armored troops armed solely with hunting weapons and the weapons scavenged off the dead?

And yet the insurgents in Iraq have been doing it for four years--a little better-armed and a little less educated, perhaps.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

I'd say they are better educated (in the ways of warfare) than the kids in the movie are... they aren't isolated insofar as logistics, like the kids in the movie are... and at the core, they are experienced in their craft, unlike the kids in the movie... and, part of the original battle plan Saddam ostensibly was to have the regular army just melt away and for the conflict to turn into a drawn out guerilla war of attrition, unlike in the movie where stable front lines were established...

DaKnife · Senior Member

Just as a note, although Mich is known as the wolverine state, their range does include both the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada's so using the animal as a Colorado HS mascot is not out of the question.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

I always though Wolverine was the most overexposed of the Xmen. I personally was a fan of the lesser known Xmen, like Kitty Pryde.

--Ray

PollyAnna · Senior Bucketkeeper

bad raybies today...

But then... I am in the mood for THAT! evileye