PS. What's sad is that this is an ACTUAL evangelical tract... and we wonder why 25% of evangelical conservatives say they will never vote for a mormon.
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I think this is really sad. I still, to this day, play Dungeons and Dragons. I've never had any desire to get involved in witchcraft. I realize that witchcraft is a big problem in the modern world, but I don't see any correlation with D&D. In my opinion, this is the adversary leading this well meaning people to attack false targets, spend their energy battling that which isn't a big deal, so they are spending that energy that which really wounds souls.
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I just never played cuz it was fer nerds... I may be a nerd, but even within nerddom, there are castes. My caste was strong on being a stuffed shirt and exercising self-deception, and that left little room for role playing games that would turn me into a wizard.
Hmmm... wonder, what would one of these tracts look like if it were showing evangelical dogma for what it is?
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Hey ray...I hate to break it to you, but you probably shouldn't read Harry Potter either. Especially the last book. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Euphrasie wrote: Hey ray...I hate to break it to you, but you probably shouldn't read Harry Potter either. Especially the last book. I'll let you know how it turns out.
One thing is as plain as the nose on my face - neither Harry nor his scar are a horcrux. And just so you know, Ray, we won't tease you for too long when the book comes out and you're proven wrong. You'll still be welcome at Bountiful.
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That's hillarious! You should check out the Chick tract on Freemasonry too. That one is hillarious also. I always find it funny that evangelicals often look for the boogeyman in all the wrong places.
Roper wrote: Ummm...does this mean I have to leave Bountiful? I've never read a Harry Potter book. And I've only seen the first movie about halfway through.
Sorry, Roper, but that's the way it's got to be. If you ever decide to read all the books, then you're welcome to come back. Just kidding, of course We just enjoy bugging Ray because he has this strange and outlandish theory about the last book. Now don't tell me you've never played D&D or I'll be crushed
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Roper wrote: I tried to play at Bountiful for a short while. But about 29 seconds after my Drow monk joined the party, everyone just sorta stopped participating
Ray must have seen this pamphlet way back when and decided to repent of his witchcraft.
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BTW, I don't mean to make light of witchcraft. It is extremely evil. But saying that D&D is pretty much the same as witchcraft is like saying that having a large stomach is the same as being pregnant. True, many women who are pregnant have large stomachs. But I'm a man with a large stomach and I am most assuredly not pregnant. I have met people who play D&D who are majorly into witchcraft. But the vast majority of players aren't. At least, of the ones I have met.
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams
Well, obviously the people who the author of the cartoon pamphlet thingee met were not only into the dark arts, but tried to do a voodoo curse on the author for failure to be hospitable to their zombie and accept their ancient secret society...
-- Edited by Cat Herder at 13:48, 2007-02-27
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
That website also has anti-catholic & anti-mormon stuff on it too.
As to D&D, I have been playing it with a bunch of my friends every other saturday. Lately I have even been the DM. I took a break last week though, it was too exhausting to keep track of all the stuff in the part of the campaign we are in.
It is really strange when we are playing D&D, then take a break to bless the lunch.
arbilad wrote: BTW, I don't mean to make light of witchcraft. It is extremely evil. But saying that D&D is pretty much the same as witchcraft is like saying that having a large stomach is the same as being pregnant. True, many women who are pregnant have large stomachs. But I'm a man with a large stomach and I am most assuredly not pregnant. I have met people who play D&D who are majorly into witchcraft. But the vast majority of players aren't. At least, of the ones I have met.
I played Axis and Allies once but I never became a Nazi. I guess it is only D&D that turns you into an evil Wiccan!
Honestly, I've known Wiccans and they're nice people. Quite honestly, they're about as threatening as Evangelicals. Both ascribe "powers" to the world that are mostly based in superstition and fear. As for devil worship, and the likes, I've never known it to be a real serious problem outside of rebellious teens who are trying their best to get out of the clutches of overly controlling (often overzealous religious) parents.
As for Harry Potter, I find it remarkable taht a man who reads so much and teaches fourth graders hasn't read the series. I was a hold-out for a long, long time, Roper, but when I finally did break down and read them (actually i listened to them on cd they're really good read by Jim Dale, he's very entertaining and it's great for the long roadtrip.) I was hooked. They're just pure fun. I whole heartedly endorse them, and think that you should encourage some of the your students who are struggling to read English to read them. :)
Now... onto the other drifty topic... this guy's a nutter who makes stuff up about anything that might scare an Evangelical. Hence I posted it cuz it's mostly funny, though honestly, this was a tract distributed widely among evangelicals back a couple decades ago...
Oh and it is my fault the DnD campaign failed... I just ran out of time. Someday I may ressurrect the story... it was going in such a fun direction. I bet I could get Spotted Horse to come back and read this site if I did... cuz she had the accursed Necklace of Ebonics... it gives you +2 on the Charisma but makes you speak in Ebonics. :) Hee hee...
I might have to kill off a certain drow monk, though, and see if he'll hang himself.
--Ray
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I was a hold-out for a long, long time, Roper, but when I finally did break down and read them I still am a hold-out. Have never gotten around to reading any of them. Just not high on my list. But, I remember a series of books I read when I was a pre-teen (or at least read some of until I either got scared or just stopped reading them). It was The Dark Is Rising series.
But, then again, I typically don't do the same things the "crowd" always does... I never went to the Star Palace when at BYU... I didn't go to any of my high school proms (could I have gone, sure, would have been easy to get a date, I was not in the mood to spend a small fortune for a stupid school dance when we had free dances nearly monthly at Church)... I laugh at the people in that great and spacious building who are pointing and mocking... Mrs. Cat Herder and I didn't get married and sealed on a Saturday morning, or even a Friday or Saturday for that matter... I regularly use cheat codes on computer games when I can't beat the easiest level AI... I'm a Mac Addict (and no, I did not renew my subscription when they change to whatever they changed the magazine to a month or so ago)... I don't get into watching American Idol or Survivor or Lost or Weakest Link or Who Wants to Be A Millionaire...
And, unlike most people, I can go on and on rambling about nothing, particularly if it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic.
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Back in the 80s when I was a lad, my parents had my brother and I in a local private evangelic Christain school. If you have ever seen the movie "Saved" with Macalley Culkin then you know what it was like being a mormon kid there. But they used to have parent meeting along the lines of that tract. My mom was scared to death that if we played D&D we would commit suicide if our character was killed. She also got all concerned about Rock music and stuff. This was back when Duran Duran was big. We find this stuff a bit over the top but in the school this stuff was gospel. Of course I was the guy that was going to hell because I belonged to a cult. I knew that wasn't true so I didn't take all the other stuff too seriously. I knew more about the anti-abortion movement and athiesm than most kids my age simply because these things were preached to us daily. They even suspended some kids for going to a rock concert and made them clean up the school. Others got suspended when they were caught at an after school party. It was pretty intense. I got accused of taking the Lord's name in vain on the playground by another kid once and go in big trouble even though I know that I didn't do it and told the teacher I didn't. The other kid's word was better than mine. Some of those evangelicals are just crazy seeing what I saw in that school makes me wonder about Mitt's chances getting the republican nomination.
Macintosh rules! I subscribed to Mac Addict a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. I haven't actually subscribed to any computer magazines for a long time. I cancelled my Mac User subscription when they got bought out by MacWorld and they announced that they would start carrying a monthly section on Windows NT. I used to devour MacWeek when they were still around. Of course, until I get the &*()&#@$ power adapter in the mail for my iBook, I'm without a Mac at home. I'm stuck using a windows machine. I have had to buy a power adapter for my iBook every year for the past 5 years.
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When I was about 14, I remember attending a church fireside where a man addressed the topic "Dungeons and Dragons, Rock n' Roll Music, and the Occult." I remember being a bit surprised after the fireside to find the speaker's wife in the parking lot selling tapes of the message. The whole experience seemed really odd at the time, and I remember feeling a bit guilty for listening to the music I liked. So I went home and plugged in Boston to see if I felt drawn to the occult. After "More than a Feeling" I had forgotten the fireside and continued life as a pretty normal LDS teen.
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Some of those evangelicals are just crazy seeing what I saw in that school makes me wonder about Mitt's chances getting the republican nomination. Yeah, we talk and think about how evil all the madrasas (sic?) and mullahs and stuff like that is over in the middle east and how they indoctrinate young people in ideologies of hate and perversion of the islamic religion into radicalism... How different in the long run will a lot of the evangelicals and their dogma be than the dogma of radical Islam if left unchallenged?
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."