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Hot Air Balloon

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Either we win or you cheated!!


 


Do you think there's a conspiracy to steal the election, or a conspiracy to make others think there's a conspiracy to steal the elections?


Is it a coincidence there's a surge of support for the GOP at the "last minute", or has the support been there for a while, and is just understated by the loudest voices in our society?


http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006285.htm


http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006280.htm


http://newsbusters.org/node/8846


http://newsbusters.org/node/8849


I have long been thinking that this has been a tactic used on the part of the opposition of the winner to deligitimize elections, and within the past few months, I've sort of felt as though it is being used even before the elections are held. 


Sad stuff...   


--Ray


 



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It is sad. And it is despicable. The Democrats, starting with that Al Gore fiasco in Florida in 2000, are threatening the public trust in the electoral process. It is a good thing that process had a little light shone on it--for too long the deceased voter block and the other irregularities had gone unexamined. The ironic thing is that most of these irregularities were in the cities--the urban strongholds of the Democrats! So they are ones who should talk about electoral shenanigans.

The last minute surge of support for the GOP is normal. It seems to happen every year in the polls. I have heard it explained as undecided voters who were willing to consider voting Democrat for whatever reason, but who, when they take a good look at that alternative, decide that the Republicans are the safer choice in the end.

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The 2000 stuff with Gore was definitely bellyaching on the Dems part. But as far as Electronic Voting machines, there are well documented issues with them, as I have stated on another thread. For instance, a group at Princeton has proven how easy it is to cheat the machines. They, with the access a normal voter would have, uploaded a virus onto the voting machine, which spread to the others, and gave them total control over the vote. The election judges watching acknowledged that they wouldn't be able to tell that anything was happening.

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It was interesting listening to the news this morning.  Both sides have attorneys in all 50 states watching closely and ready to press legal challenges.  Democracy via the courtroom!   That's what the founding fathers really wanted.  Well maybe at least Jefferson because he was an evil womanizing slave holder! 

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salesortonscom wrote:

It was interesting listening to the news this morning.  Both sides have attorneys in all 50 states watching closely and ready to press legal challenges.  Democracy via the courtroom!   That's what the founding fathers really wanted.  Well maybe at least Jefferson because he was an evil womanizing slave holder! 



It's really sad that the elections are now, essentially, being run by the courts. I read yesterday (unfortunately I can remember where) that some judge allowed some county or state to start counting absentee ballots early, despite it being against the law.
Since when are judges supposed to be above the law? As envisioned by the Founding Fathers, the judicial branch was to be the weakest. Now it seems to be the strongest.

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I hate how when electing judges, if they are incumbent, they still get to retain their seat simply by the fact they may not have any opponent running or the only ones that are running are the ones who are up for election back to the same judgeships. That makes the electoral process a mere formality for career judges. The only judgeships I voted on this time were the ones that had opponents, and then I voted for the opponent and not the incumbent. Judges do not need to feel they are entitled to careers on the bench.

You Constitution Party folks will be pleased... I voted for several US Tax Payers Party members for several non-policy, law making positions... State Board of Education, and various Regents of State Universities. That is the name of your party here in Michigan, isn't it? Unfortunately, I don't think we (the Republicans) will be successful in removing the Democratic incumbant Governor and Democratic incumbant US Senator up for election. Michigan is too much like the US in the regards of a couple geographic areas have far too great influence as opposed to the bulk of the land. Detroit and Flint are our California / Pacific Coast and New England... Outside of those two areas, the state is pretty red, but because they are so Democrat, it makes the whole state look blue.

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It will be interesting to see how long this election goes on after the polls close.  Most of the stink going on today about voting irregularities (so far) is coming from Democrats.  I would really like to see investigations into the deceased voter block which seems to still be out there  rather than let it go.



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There was some twit (could tell he was like 18 years old) up in front of me by several people in the line to apply to vote (have to "apply" before they will give you the ballet... just a fancy name and process for making sure you are on the precinct's registered voter list) who was trying to find out how or if there was any paper backup to prove you voted the way you really did. It is not like we have computer voting here. We have a paper ballot that you have to fill in like a scan tron sheet. Almost idiot proof unless you don't know what Yes and No mean or that the oval by the name is the oval for that candidate... Anyway, he was all concerned because that paper ballot (which has is numbered, and the number of the ballot gets recorded next to the voter on the rolls) gets feed through an electronic reader to count the votes and the voter doesn't get the ballot back or a receipt acknowledging the vote was counted... the machine simply clicks up to the next incremental number on the votes tallied display. I'm thinking... ah duh... the machine holds all the ballots in the sealed ballot box that is enclosed in the machine, so if anything were to happen, they can manually count, and since they have the ballot numbers registered to the voters and the ballot stub sequentially (based on when turned in, not ballot number) included in a another binder, then in theory, they should be able to get pretty reasonably close to an individual's paper ballot in the ballot box should there be any irregularities...

Oh, and if you aren't a registered voter in the precinct, I don't think you even are eligible to "apply" to vote, let alone get a ballot...

rolleyes

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Cat, that's one reason why I'm for the electoral system staying in place. If the vote went by pure population, then the urban democrat strongholds might force a democratic president on a generally republican populace. As you mentioned, the high population centers in your state mean that a limited geographic area determines the governership for the majority of the geographic area.
If you look at the county by county maps from the last two presidential elections, they are mostly red, even in many states that were carried by democrats. But most of those are low population counties.

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Yay for the Electoral College! 



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