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Romney's Mormon Network?


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/10/19/romney_camp_consulted_with_mormon_leaders/?page=1


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<<<Governor Mitt Romney's political team has quietly consulted with leaders of the Mormon Church to map out plans for a nationwide network of Mormon supporters to help Romney capture the presidency in 2008, according to interviews and written materials reflecting plans for the initiative.Over the past two months, Romney's political operatives and church leaders have discussed building a grass-roots political organization using alumni chapters of Brigham Young University's business school around the country. More recently, representatives of BYU, which is run by the church, and Romney's political action committee have begun soliciting help from prominent Mormons...>>>   Discuss!



-- Edited by fear of shiz at 09:03, 2006-10-19

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Absolute hogwash... let's create some dirt and "conflict of interest" where none exists.


I believe the statement that any meeting was at the request of the party, and not a general authority and that in this instance, Elder Holland would have used it to remind the individuals of the church's stance.  And what were the "documents" they had and where did they get them from?  Sounds oh so investigative, doesn't it?  They had "reporters" stationed outside the church office building to confirm people entered and left the building...  Who was there to document that the "reporters" were actually there? 


And as to the comment on utilizing the Marriott Management Society chapters, since when were they a part of the university?  I used to belong to one, and had actually served on it's executive committee for over a year... We were not part of the university.  We were a society of professionals who were members of the church and friends of the church.  You didn't even have to be alumni of BYU to be a member, let alone an alum of the Marriott School of Business.  The chartering sponser of our chapter was the then CEO of Nationwide Insurance.  We invited professors from BYU to come and speak at our annual dinner.  And that was about the limit of interaction, other than the alumni association providing names and addresses of alumni in the area and providing some general mailings to the chapter membership.  The purposes of the chapters (back then, no idea now since I haven't been affiliated with one in nearly a decade) was to provide a common place for LDS professionals of all career levels to network with other LDS professionals in a non-church environment, to build bridges between the BYU Marriott alumni with others in the process, to provide support to BYU's mission as applicable, and opportunities for service as applicable.  Unfortunately, our chapter ended up "failing" because the "popular" and prominent LDS business people in our area lost interest after the first couple meetings and no one else wanted to participate because the big names were not there and were not supporting it and people only wanted to hob-knob with the big names... plus, there was confusion as to if it was an BYU alumni chapter (which there wasn't one in the area) or not... sorry... I digress from my own digression... 


Oh well, this sort of accusation is going to come out time and time again, that Romney (or any other LDS candidate for president) is going to utilize the church's infrastructure for campaign purposes... Hey, Joseph Smith did over 150 years ago, so it must be engrained into them durn Mormons' culture...  rolleyes


{ETA} I would be surprised if Mitt Romney is not currently on or was previously on the national executive committee of the Marriott Management Society anyway... so what is the big deal?  One of the stated goals (at least of when I was a member of the society) was to provide an opportunity for networking... and asking those interested in his campaign to join the campaign is nothing more than networking.  How is that as bad as a political candidate going from church to church and actually making a campaign addresses to members in the hopes of gaining voters in those congregations?  Several years ago, I actually had a evangelical co-worker who was running for a seat in the State Legislature who kept asking me to hook him up with the members of the church in his area so he could go and speak to them.  I politely explained that he was welcome to visit the church anytime, but that it was against our policy to do that sort of thing on church property.  I'd be happy to personally introduce him to people I knew, but I doubted they were in the district he was running from and that he could not say things like "Hi!  so-in-so, Republican candidate for State House District X.  Would greatly appreciate your vote come election day..."  He never did take me up on it though... Wonder why?   



-- Edited by Cat Herder at 09:39, 2006-10-19

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This is my biggest fear with the Romney candidacy.  They are going to do everything possible to make him look like he is subject to the church leadership in his decisions and that he is illegally using non profits and religion to run his campaign.  This is just the start.  He will be asked by idiot reporters about his stance on Poligamy and people like Warren Jeffs.  Everyone knows on this forum that the church and Mitt have nothing to do with those things but his enemies and enemies of the church will paint that kind of picture and of course the media will run with it because they have completely rejected the idea of due dilligence.  By the time it is all done even the people of Massachusettes will have turned on him.  Sad but I predict this is just the beginning.

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Hey, it is par for the course.  Unless LDS people who are active in politics do not want to run for office, then there has to be a direct, verifiable, and irrefutable level of proof from them that their campaigns and candidacy is not getting support from the Church.  Obviously, those who are against an LDS candidate are going to try to smear them with it (because typically, they can't smear them on issues of legal or moral integrity) because it will make the candidate look less independent and more a puppet.


When JFK was running, didn't his opponents somehow try to smear him as well, saying things like as a Catholic he held allegiance to the Pope above the US Constitution?  Same tactic.  Same response.  You just prove the critics wrong and show that your campaign is run above reproach.


But, then we come into the problem of stupid voters who are upset about too much / too little illegal immigration because everything is just a ploy by Republicans / Democrats to keep / wrest control of the House / White House / public park outhouse zoning law who don't believe a thing unless it comes from the mouth of Fox News / CNN / HNN / 700 Club / Jessie Jackson / Micheal Jackson / Micheal Bolton...



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Cat Herder wrote:



Hey, it is par for the course.  Unless LDS people who are active in politics do not want to run for office, then there has to be a direct, verifiable, and irrefutable level of proof from them that their campaigns and candidacy is not getting support from the Church.  Obviously, those who are against an LDS candidate are going to try to smear them with it (because typically, they can't smear them on issues of legal or moral integrity) because it will make the candidate look less independent and more a puppet.


When JFK was running, didn't his opponents somehow try to smear him as well, saying things like as a Catholic he held allegiance to the Pope above the US Constitution?  Same tactic.  Same response.  You just prove the critics wrong and show that your campaign is run above reproach.


But, then we come into the problem of stupid voters who are upset about too much / too little illegal immigration because everything is just a ploy by Republicans / Democrats to keep / wrest control of the House / White House / public park outhouse zoning law who don't believe a thing unless it comes from the mouth of Fox News / CNN / HNN / 700 Club / Jessie Jackson / Micheal Jackson / Micheal Bolton...






The difference between Kennedy and Romney is that Kennedy was Catholic and a huge swath of the American people are either Catholic or know quite a bit about Catholics.  Most people outside of Utah and Idaho are not Mormon and most non mormons still have crazy ideas about mormons.  Just watch that video where those guys ask people about what they know about the Mormons.  We think it is funny to watch it but there are millions of voters out there who will believe the media blather that the enemies of Mitt and the Church will spout.  I also think there is a difference too in the fact that in the 60's people seemed to be a bit more intellectual and actually thought things through and that the media did more due dilligence back then.  Now you have NY Times writers making stuff up and Dan Blather using forged documents that when proven to be fake still stands by his original reporting.  How is Mitt or the church going to get a fair shake in today's political and media environment?


And for that political hack/washed up entertainer Michael Bolton:


I really wish that John Bolton could get cousin Michael to stop telling people how to vote!  Michael is getting worse than Sean Penn these days!


From the great movie office space:


BOB SLYDELL
Let's see. You're Michael...Bolton?

He nods.

BOB PORTER
Is that your real name?

MICHAEL
Yeah.

BOB PORTER
Are you in any relation to the pop singer?

MICHAEL
It's just a coincidence.

BOB SLYDELL
LAUGHS) TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I LOVE HIS MUSIC. I DO . I AM A MICHAEL
BOLTON FAN. FOR MY MONEY, I DON'T THINK IT GETS ANY BETTER THAN WHEN HE
SINGS WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN.

BOB PORTER
I mean you must really love his music.

MICHAEL
Yeah. Yeah…he, he, he's pretty, he's pretty good, I guess.

BOB SLYDELL
You're G$% DA*% right he is.

They laugh.

BOB PORTER
So tell me. What's your favorite song of his?

MICHAEL
Hmm. I, I, I don't know. I mean, I guess, I sorta like 'em all.

The Bobs laugh.

BOB SLYDELL
HA HA! I feel the exact same way, but it must be hard for you, I mean,
having the same name as him. I celebrate the guy's entire catalogue.
But anyway, let's get down to business, Michael!

MICHAEL
You, you know, you can just call me Mike.

They stare at him.



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LDS Church denies backing Romney
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JOE PYRAH - Daily Herald   


An article published Thursday in the Boston Globe suggests that officials of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, along with two BYU professors, may have improperly aided in marshalling political support -- and financial aid -- of church members behind a possible run for president by Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who is a member of the church.


Such activity, if true, may violate Internal Revenue prohibitions on political advocacy by nonprofit groups, including churches. Both BYU and the LDS Church are incorporated as nonprofit, tax-exempt organizations.


There are approximately 5.7 million Mormons in the United States, which could be an influential bloc in a future presidential election. Romney has not announced his candidacy, but he is widely believed to be a front-runner for the Republican party.


The suggestion of political impropriety was dismissed by church spokesman Michael R. Otterson, who told Globe reporters Scott Helman and Michael Levenson in an e-mail that any allegations that church leaders were working to promote Romney were "nonsense." In an interview with the Daily Herald, Otterson objected to the article's "conspiratorial tone." He reiterated the church's policy on political neutrality, which was recently sent to congregations across the country.


The Globe article singled out BYU associate dean Steve Albrecht and dean Ned Hill of the Marriott School of Management, who sent e-mails using their university addresses and titles asking for support for Romney. The e-mails went to 50 members of the Management Society, the alumni association of the business school, and to 100 members of the school's National Advisory Council, the article said.


BYU spokeswoman Carrie Jenkins said Thursday that the university found out about Hill's and Albrecht's e-mails from a recipient in Texas. The matter was forwarded to a university attorney, who told the two the next day to stop.


The two did not have BYU approval, nor was the university aware of the campaign, Jenkins said.


"We do have a policy of political neutrality," she said.


When asked about the possibility of an IRS investigation, Jenkins said she didn't think it would be a problem because of the speed of the university's response. Albrecht acknowledged the mistake, Jenkins said, and neither man will be disciplined for his actions.


The article details how Romney supporters met with Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. It also tells of several BYU employees' involvement using university resources to stump for Romney in possible violation of IRS rules regarding nonprofit entities.


While BYU officials admit the mistake, church spokesman Mike Otterson on Thursday strongly disputed the Globe's report, which repeatedly cited "documents" indicating an intricate initiative involving the church. Otterson said he was not allowed to see the purported documents and could not comment on them.


At the heart of the article is a Sept. 19 meeting between Holland and his longtime friend Kem Gardner, Romney's son Josh and Don Stirling, a consultant for Romney's political action committee, Commonwealth PAC.


Otterson said the meeting was scheduled as a courtesy visit with Gardner with no agenda, and that Holland had no knowledge of the PAC until afterward.


When the meeting did turn to politics, Otterson said Holland reminded the men of the church's political neutrality, which precludes it from sponsoring candidates. In Otterson's version, when the discussion moved to the question of using BYU's business school alumni association as a way to garner support for Romney, Holland said the men should be speaking with the alumni group and not him.


The Globe article said that "documents indicate that Jeffrey R. Holland ... has handled the initiative and that he hosted a Sept. 19 meeting about it in his church office in Salt Lake City. ... Globe reporters observed Romney's representatives enter and leave church headquarters for the meeting."


According to the Globe article, documents also show that "Gardner had already met with Holland at least once to discuss the initiative" and that "Holland, a former BYU president, suggested using the alumni organization ... to build a network for Romney."


"Such a plan would give Romney an established infrastructure -- the alumni group has 5,500 members in about 40 U.S. chapters -- for raising money and generating support," the article said. Albrecht was among those invited eight days later to a private dinner with "prominent Mormons," and "they discussed the effort further."


The letters from Albrecht and Hill were headed "Dear Marriott School Friend," the Globe reported. "We are writing to you as a friend to see if you have any interest in helping Governor Romney by volunteering to serve as a Community or Neighborhood Chair."


"Governor Romney's chances for success are significantly enhanced and energized by people, such as you, who are willing to help him at the grass-roots level throughout the United States," the e-mail said.


The Globe article comes at a time when Romney's religion is under close scrutiny by other mainstream Christian groups and evangelicals who have long harbored animosity toward the LDS Church, even disputing its clear record of Christian faith. Despite their religious differences, however, Mormons and other conservative Christians have a lot of common ground politically.


"Some evangelicals may think that Mormons are going to hell," said Notre Dame sociologist Christian Smith in an article published earlier this week in the Herald. "But at the same time, they might think that it wouldn't be too bad to have one in elected office."


Romney's resume is considered so good that Republicans would typically jump at the chance to have such a candidate. Tall and athletic, he is a successful CEO and now governor of a traditionally liberal state. He also has a political pedigree: his father, George, was a three-term governor of Michigan. Romney was credited with the phenomenal financial success of the 2002 Olympics in Utah.


 


 


http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/197205/3/



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