Pope calls Muslims violent.

Homestar Runner · Senior Member

Pope calls Muslims violent.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

LOL. Let me get this strait. The Pope says they are violent so in order to prove that what he said was false, muslims take to the street in violence. Hmmm.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Isn't it interesting that all the protest is centering on the fact he read a passage from an historical document centuries old. It isn't his words, he is simply quoting something that was said and recorded some about 600 years ago. He wasn't editorializing on it either.

Blasphemy, blasphemy, you are saying something that we don't like... Puullleeezzz!

fear of shiz · Profuse Pontificator

HSR,

He's got Bush and Blair!

Randy · Senior Member

Well the situation is different now. There were very few ideologically-driven Communists. The masses had to do what they were told, and the leaders loved the power. It was a difficult situation to beat (it still hasn't been beat in China and other places) but you didn't have hundreds of millions that were inspired by the ideology as you have with the Islamofascists. Another big difference was the Communist leaders valued their own lives. We don't know that that is true of all Muslim leaders. The president of Iran seems to relish the idea of nuclear war (although the official line of this oil-rich company that they want nuclear power plants, not nuclear weapons). The Communists didn't want nuclear war because they wanted to live.

-- Edited by Randy at 16:07, 2006-09-15

arbilad · Head Chef

And in other news, water is wet.

Seriously, when the reaction of a large percentage of practititioners of a certain religion to a cartoon that mocks their prophet is to riot and kill people, it is difficult to take seriously their claims of being a religion of peace.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Well, a certain amount of it could related to culture (which of course the religion is tightly woven into) as to what constitutes an insult and what does not. For example, we're probably all familiar with the archaic idea of getting satisfaction for someone insulting your integrity or that of a family member that was found in the gentry in our own culture, which in turn was derived from the feudal culture of Europe. We look at that in our own cultural heritage now and think how silly (and to a certain extent, it was/is) to behave like that.

But, what I don't understand is in their culture, how it is they "have the right" to define the insult as well as to define what an acceptable apology is. The pope apologized, and yet there are still many groups that do not feel it was an acceptable apology, despite the violence (which, by the way the news didn't give as much press time to) that was incited by muslim leaders against christians as part of their "outrage".

Anyway, what it tells me is that many people and their religious and secular leaders have truly lost the love for their fellow man and the true God (assuming they had it to begin with), for one will not seek to take offense and cause offense if they are at least in some manner living the principles of loving their fellow human beings.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

I just heard on the news that a Nun was murdered overseas and it looks like it was related to this. I hope not. The hatred these radicals have for all things western including freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution really is hard to fathom at times. It is hard to understand how any person would be against the basic freedoms and rights that we are endowed by our Creator with. I guess the lesson is that you cannot understand evil and shouldn't try to make sense of it. It is what it is.

Rocinante · Member

salesortonscom wrote:

It is hard to understand how any person would be against the basic freedoms and rights that we are endowed by our Creator with.

Is it? Wasn't there a war in heaven over just that?

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

Rocinante wrote:

salesortonscom wrote:

It is hard to understand how any person would be against the basic freedoms and rights that we are endowed by our Creator with.

Is it? Wasn't there a war in heaven over just that?

Yea, and the ones that made it here chose freedom including those who now want to take it away . I guess it wasn't that important to them in the pre-existence or maybe it was and they just wanted the freedom to be bad.

Rocinante · Member

And yet, knowing and understanding it all, one third of the hosts of heaven wanted a plan where they would be forced . How much harder must it be for those that came to earth with all understanding taken? Especially if the light of Christ has been darkened.

It just seems to me that the battle we face is a very familiar one.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

And which side are we on?

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

The Nauvoo version of this thread is soooooo much more entertaining... I'm thinking I'll have to shift my perspective in this debate and take Pink Floyd's to get some discussion going...

--Ray

fear of shiz · Profuse Pontificator

arbilad · Head Chef

rayb wrote:

The Nauvoo version of this thread is soooooo much more entertaining... I'm thinking I'll have to shift my perspective in this debate and take Pink Floyd's to get some discussion going...

--Ray

The management of the board does not like "entertaining" in the sense that you mean it.

salesortonscom · Wise and Revered Master

I say it's time we weigh Rayb. If he weighs as much as a duck...then he's a __________.

Burn him, burn him!

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

With the Muslims turning their wrath upon the Catholics, does anyone get the feeling that we are seeing the great and abominable church at war with itself?

--Ray

fear of shiz · Profuse Pontificator

This is an important and very instructive article about how the current Islamist movement is not like anything in the past of the Muslim world, and how the Iranian Revolution of 1979 should be compared to the French or Russian revolutions for its impact on world history:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/09/bring_them_freedom_or_they_des.html