Obama sworn in as World President

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Obama Sworn in as World President

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

I believe it is the intent of the LDGs (latter-day gadiantons) who chose and now direct Obama from behind the scenes that America no longer be go at it alone nation. Their planned world government can come together only after the United States can no longer go it alone. A vital, economically strong United States would have at its disposal the spiritual and material force to prevent the LDGs globalists from totally winning this battle. By destroying the wealth, freedom, and religious faith of the American people, they are striving to so alter life in the United States that we can be easily and comfortably merged first with Mexico and Canada, and then with other countries, including those already accustomed to totalitarian rule and greater corruption.

Wonder Boy · Member

Bill Clinton Echos 'Right Wing Conspiracy'

Asked on NBCs Meet the Press whether a vast right wing conspiracy is involved in the attacks on Mr. Obama, Mr. Clinton said, Its not as strong as it was, because Americas changed demographically, but its as virulent as it was.

Mr. Clinton suggested that the right wing is concocting stories about Mr. Obama in an effort to scuttle his efforts early in his term.

Their agenda seems to be wanting him to fail, and thats not a prescription for a good America, Mr. Clinton said.

As one who doesn't really believe in "vast" conspiracies, especially on a world wide scale, I have to wonder: Does someone in a conspiracy always know they are in a conspiracy?

If "LDG's" have taken control our our current president and our government, have our prophets missed it? Shouldn't they be giving us specific warnings at conference this weekend? Isn't that what Nephi (in 3rd Nephi) would have done? Why are today's prophets at worst silent on the subject, or at best, giving only veiled warnings that "only those in the know" can understand?

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

I believe the First Presidency is well aware of a conspiracy to control the world. Consider the following statements:

President Ezra Taft Benson, speaking in a Church General Conference in October 1988: "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world. "

As an Apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote in "Doctrines of Salvation", Vol.3, pp. 314-315: "Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States...it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315)

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, speaking in the April 1980 General Conference, stated: "Gadianton robbers fill the judgement seats in many nations. An evil power seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations and countries."

Apostle Boyd K. Packer, speaking in a 16 January 2007 BYU Devotional, stated: "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you." [Ref. Ether 8:20, 2324]

I do not expect the Church General Authorities to tell us about this conspiracy in a general conference. If they told it openly, the conspirators, or latter-day gadiantons, would come down on the Church and Hell would come with them. And I believe this is one of the reasons the First Presidency and the Apostles no longer promote preservation of freedom and the US Constitution as they did decades ago. But there is plenty of discussion on these subjects among small groups of LDSs that I am aware of.

"Does someone in a conspiracy always know they are in a conspiracy?" Not necessarily. I think top level conspirators use masses of predictable leftists, yes-men, ambitious lackeys and partially knowing ladder-climbers to do their bidding--specifically so as to limit the number who have "need to know" access. The top dogs know how to use war to create Hegelian responses, are very very evil--something most of the world doesn't really believe in anymore, and that is why many people can't conceive of or believe in this horrible brand of conspiracy.

-- Edited by lundbaek on Monday 28th of September 2009 07:43:51 AM

-- Edited by lundbaek on Monday 28th of September 2009 07:45:10 AM

Wonder Boy · Member

I do not expect the Church General Authorities to tell us about this conspiracy in a general conference. If they told it openly, the conspirators, or latter-day gadiantons, would come down on the Church and Hell would come with them. And I believe this is one of the reasons the First Presidency and the Apostles no longer promote preservation of freedom and the US Constitution as they did decades ago. But there is plenty of discussion on these subjects among small groups of LDSs that I am aware of.

The Prophets have never been afraid to give direct, specific and open warnings when they see threats. From Alma and Moroni in the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith, to Heber J. Grant, even to your quoted President Benson. Why would the Prophets close their mouths now if, as you say, the danger escalates? Why would they have issued their usual "political neutrality statement" before the last election if they knew that Obama was being controlled by your LDG's? If nothing else, they would have just "forgotten" to issue it.

It just makes no sense. It would seem to me they would be more open now than ever before.

Fregramis · Senior Member

The Church is a worldwide Church, not solely an American one.

Many of our Church members live in socialist nations in Latin America, Europe, etc.. The blessings of the Lord are fully extended to them, regardless of political ideology. I think that is why the Brethren, currently anyway, do not bash other political systems. They do urge all forms of governments to protect the family, and let the Church have a presence in their country.

All the socialists, fascists, nazis, communists, anarchists, monarchists, neo-cons (pick your poison) are mere pebbles to be crushed under the stonce cut without hands.

mirkwood · Senior Bucketkeeper

They still talk about it if you know what to listen for.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

More recently.

Speaking at BYU Education Week on 18 August 2009 Elder Packer, said: "Moroni spoke of the wickedness of the secret combinations and the wicked men to come among us. He warned us that they would be with us in our day and said: "When ye shall see these things come among you that ye [should] awake to a sense of your awful situation. . . . Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved."" [Ether 8:24, 26] http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=12778&x=64&y=9

Obviously this was not meant for the entire church membership. Or maybe it was, only purposely left up to people like us to pass it along privately (like to our LDS congressmen).

Wonder Boy · Member

mirkwood wrote

They still talk about it if you know what to listen for.

I don't believe they speak in vague terms that only select members can hear. For example.

President James E. Faust said in 2001 at the 911 memorial service:These vicious acts caused the twin towers to collapse and severely damaged the Pentagon building. This was a deliberate attack intended to inflict as much destruction, pain, and death to as many victims as possible. It was a pernicious assault upon our nation. It was an evil conspiracy. It caused a loss of our national innocence. It changed forever the way we live our lives, how we travel, and how we feel towards our fellow human beings.
Very plain speaking. Calling a "conspiracy" what it is.

He went on to say:We as its citizens are among the most favored of any of God's children ever to live under any government on the earth. This is still true despite our country's many challenges and difficulties. With all of these favored circumstances come the responsibilities and duties of citizenship.

Alluding to a line from "The Star-Spangled Banner," President Faust said, "We should be participants, not merely bystanders, in the processes of democracy to 'preserve us as a nation.'

"Institutions of government and those officers and magistrates elected or appointed need our loyal support in order to secure for us the continuing cornucopia of blessings that come from the freedoms available in this country. God Almighty established this land. He raised up giants among men as our founding fathers. They acted for us 'the people' who were and who remain sovereign. The motto stamped on our coins 'In God We Trust' must also be stamped in our hearts and minds.

The call of a prophet for "loyal support" or our government by us as members has never been rescinded. Never been watered down.

It appears to me that it is counsel that is still in force.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

I'm afraid many, perhaps most American LDSs did not digest what president Faust said at the 911 memorial service. And I'm sure most certainly are unaware of President Packer's two seperate comments at BYU on secret combinations. I became aware of the last two only thru my associations with certain LDSs who are actively involved in efforts to preserve (actually, restore) lost freedoms and forgotten and ignored constitutional principles.

Re. loyal support of our government, "We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold sthe respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments;..." (D&C 134:5) I think that if Americans could somehow measure the degree to which they are protected in their inherent and inalienable rights (life, liberty, control of private property) and/or the degree to which they are denied such, they might more quickly awaken to their "awful situation".

Wonder Boy · Member

lundbaek wrote:

I'm afraid many, perhaps most American LDSs did not digest what president Faust said at the 911 memorial service.

And only a few did correctly "digest" the message? Are you sure you haven't got that the wrong way around?

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Elder Robert D. Hales:A characteristic of prophets throughout the ages is that, regardless of the consequences, they have had the strength to speak the words of God with plainness and boldness.

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prophets speak directly and plainly the word of God and let the consequence follow.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

Re. what President Faust said at the 911 memorial service, I certainly did not read and ponder what he said, and I'm assuming most other American LDSs didn't either. That could be a wrong assumption, as we were on a mission in Denmark starting September 2001 and were out of touch with subsequent happenings that evidentally included President Faust's statement. I don't understand how most American LDSs could have heard and/or read his statement when they manage to miss so many other things. I suspect I'm not understanding your question, WB.

Wonder Boy · Member

You answered my question when you said:
I do not expect the Church General Authorities to tell us about this conspiracy in a general conference. If they told it openly, the conspirators, or latter-day gadiantons, would come down on the Church and Hell would come with them. And I believe this is one of the reasons the First Presidency and the Apostles no longer promote preservation of freedom and the US Constitution as they did decades ago. But there is plenty of discussion on these subjects among small groups of LDSs that I am aware of.

I simply disagree. If the prophets really believed in this "Obama Conspiracy" you have outlined, I think they would be speaking out against it and would not be afraid of the consequences. That is what I was trying to point out with the Elder Hales quote and the President Faust quote.

Instead, they continue to say "support the government where you live" and "we remain politically neutral, vote for either candidate for president." I don't think they would say those sorts of things if what you said is true.

So, in my mind, either they don't know that President Obama is being controlled by your "LDG's", or it isn't true. I don't think the first is possible, so the second must be correct.

But to each his own.

Pt314 · Senior Member

Here are some groups that I consider candidates as secret combinations.

International

Al Qaida

Hezbollah

Muslim Brotherhood

The Anti-American Far Left

American

ACORN

STORM

Hollywood

The 'intellectual elite'

European

Bilderburgers

If they exist

Illuminati

For the most part I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Most of what is going on is in plain sight.

lundbaek · Profuse Pontificator

I don't recall using the term "Obama Conspiracy". Satan is in charge, not Obama, nor even his puppet masters. I do believe sthey are part of the conspiracy (a.k.a. secret combination) that President Benson and President Packer spoke of.

And again on 18 August 2009 Elder Packer, speaking at BYU Education Week, said: "Moroni spoke of the wickedness of the secret combinations and the wicked men to come among us. He warned us that they would be with us in our day and said: "When ye shall see these things come among you that ye [should] awake to a sense of your awful situation. . . .Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved." [Ether 8:24, 26]

Wonder Boy · Member

Just curious: Have you read or listened to President Packer's entire 40 minute speech? You are quoting one line out of it. I think if you read the talk, you are taking a bit of a different meaning than he intended.

And I don't think a speech at "Education Week" would be the place to send the important message you think that it is.

But again, I could be way off base. You could be right.

Here is a link to the speech for those that are curious:"Fledgling Finches and Family Life."

Fregramis · Senior Member

I've never heard anything "cryptic" from the Brethren. I know President Hinckley was very clear in October of 1998 Priesthood. Not a prophecy or prediction. Just very frank counsel about the time had arrived to put our homes in order due to a portent of stormy weather, so to speak. And look around. Nearly 10% unemployment, vanishing credit, and rising mortgage defaults. No one is complaining in the LDS community of not having been warned, as far as I know. Amos 3:7 is pretty clear about the Lord not keeping secrets that would protect the Saints.

As much as I disagree with President Obama and his policies, the problems we have now have been decades in the making. Policy makers, on both sides of the aisle, have been complicit. But there is plenty of blame that can be placed squarely on the shoulders of Joe Q Public.