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lundbaek


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I'm not surprised that there has been no comment here on the passing away of Senator Edward Kennedy.  He has truly been for many years a very controversial individual.  He may well be both the most loved and hated US Senator in our history.  He is being eulogized by the mainstream media, and vilified in the so-called alternate media.  I spent about 29 years of my adult life in Massachusetts, and still have family living in Eastern Massachusetts, where by far most of his suppporters live and work.  My first venture into the political arena, back in 1975, was to pitch in and oppose an effort by US Senator Kennedy and some other state officers to make illegal in Massachusetts the private possession of handguns.  I think all that is being said about him now, both by the mainstream media and the alternate media, tells a great deal about the condition of not only Massachusetts, but our entire United States of America as well.  

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Utahns, others remember Kennedy fondly

"The loss of Senator Ted Kennedy is a sad event for America,".
 
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705325932,00.html
 
 



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This man got everything he had in life because of his name and his connections.  Orrin Hatch can say whatever he wants, but Ted Kennedy was no better than you or me. 

The man should have been a swimming coach, not a Senator.

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The above quoted statement by Mitt Romney "The loss of Senator Ted Kennedy is a sad event for America...  The last son of Rose Fitzgerald and Joseph Kennedy was granted a much longer life than his brothers, and he filled those years with endeavor and achievement that would have made them proud. " brings to mine another by President Boyd Packer:

"I must say something about tolerance. Tolerance is a virtue, but, like all virtues, when exaggerated it transforms itself into a vice."  Elder Packer, 18 August 2009
during BYU Campus Education Week.

-- Edited by lundbaek on Saturday 29th of August 2009 04:22:10 PM

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Fregramis wrote:

This man got everything he had in life because of his name and his connections.  Orrin Hatch can ay whatever he wants, but Ted Kennedy was no better than you or me. 

The man should have been a swimming coach, not a Senator.


Humm...

Caroline Kennedy had just as much Kennedy name recognition, just as much money and just as many connections, yet failed miserably to become a senator from New York.

Perhaps Senator Ted Kennedy had more on the ball than you give him credit for?

 



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lundbaek wrote:

The above quoted statement by Mitt Romney "The loss of Senator Ted Kennedy is a sad event for America...  The last son of Rose Fitzgerald and Joseph Kennedy was granted a much longer life than his brothers, and he filled those years with endeavor and achievement that would have made them proud. " brings to mine another by President Boyd Packer:

"I must say something about tolerance. Tolerance is a virtue, but, like all virtues, when exaggerated it transforms itself into a vice."  Elder Packer, 18 August 2009
during BYU Campus Education Week.

-- Edited by lundbaek on Saturday 29th of August 2009 04:22:10 PM


Boy.  Nothing like picking a quote out of context to make your point.  President Packer was talking about tolerance and morality.  Not even close to tolerating opposing political views.  

But it is a great quote. 

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Caroline Kennedy attempted to run for office long after the golden era of the Kennedy dynasty had ended.  Not a fair comparison. 


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I suppose we don't need to worry about Joe Kennedy Jr. taking uncle Ted's place then, do we?

Kennedy dynasty being ended, and all that.

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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Caroline being considered to take over HRC's Senate seat in New York after she was appointed SOS by Obama? Ted's seat is in Massachusetts, so it's a different state, different voters.  Is Joe Jr. a foregone conclusion, or do they get to vote on it? 










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That's right. The same senate seat her uncle Robert F. Kennedy won in the mid 60's after JFK was assassinated. So I guess that makes him not part of the Kennedy dynasty either since he was a senator from New York, which is not Massachusetts.

Yeah, they will vote in a special election to replace Senator Ted in January. Unless the Massachusetts democrats overturn the "anti- Governor Romney appointment" law they put into place when Romney had a chance to appoint a replacement senator. Joe Jr. has not yet announced whether or not he will run. If he does run, most democrat candidates have said they would bow out of the race. He would be an overwhelming favorite to continue in "the Kennedy seat."



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Obviously, either Wonder Boy is playing devil's advocate (nothing wrong with that) or is a genuine fan of the late Senator Kennedy.  Please tell us what made him a good Senator in your eyes (legislation, anecdotes, speeches, etc).

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Oh, I don't know. How about almost single handedly getting the city of Boston to approve the steeple for the Boston Temple?

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How about COBRA gap insurance which allows people to continue their insurance payments after they are laid off their job?

How about Title IX that forced schools to pay as much attention to women's sports as they did to football?

How about CHIP insurance for poor children?

How about his many bills for education reform?

I'm not a "big fan" of him, but he was effective at what he did, he was passionate about his causes (i.e. Robert Bork), and he was not afraid to use his position. I just thought he was a little better than you or I or a swim coach at getting things done.

As for speeches. love him or not, you got to admire his speech endorsing Obama. He probably more than any other individual pushed the election to him. That is power used to your advantage.

His biggest legislative mistake? Not endorsing Nixon's health care reforms. He would have seen universal health coverage a long time ago and wouldn't have been fighting for it until he died. No, I don't like all his politics, and he made many mistakes in his personal life. But I do admire his ability to get things done.

-- Edited by Wonder Boy on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 06:56:00 AM

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Having been a candidate for the US House of Representatives and otherwise active in trying to get our US FedGov back in compliance with the US Constitution, I have been in good positions to note a desperate lack of understanding on the part of LDSs generally of their commandment to "befriend" the US Constitution as commanded in D&C 98:6, and also their inability to recognize and/or interest in caring about government programs and legislation that violate our Constitution.  

In case anybody thinks that commandment applied only back in 1833 when it was given, consider President Packer's statement during the 2 July Freedom Festival in Provo, UT that  "To honor the Constitution and to honour freedom is a sacred duty for all of us."

And the Prophet in the October 1987 General Conference clarified what it meant to "befriend" the US Constitution.  And other prophets and apostles have, over the years, tried to set us straight on the evils of socialism and socialist government programs.  

-- Edited by lundbaek on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 12:24:47 PM

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