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Death toll from Burmese cyclone rising...


I can't believe nobody has posted about this yet.

Tuesday: Cyclone in Burma

Wednesday:  Estimated death toll as high as 100,000



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Didn't hic post about it?

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yes.

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Bok is on drugs, people.  Cut her some slack.  Or make fun of her!  biggrin

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Dude, how many times do I have to explain? I'm on drugs too biggrin.gif

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Oh, sorry, I couldn't tell.  biggrin

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Yeah, well, Bok had to go and copycat my surgery day AND have a more intensive surgery. She's stealing all my sympathy. Waaaaahhhhhh! giggle.gif

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http://bountiful.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=92298&p=3&topicID=17234540&commentPage=0#lastPostAnchor

And that's the post I made about the cyclone. I'm still waiting for someone to help me out.

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I don't know the answer to your question, hic.  I don't know why the government is not allowing the UN, Red Cross, America, whomever to come help.

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I thought the Church and CARE were helping...??

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Let's see... I think I read an article that said the UN was getting in... let me dig.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354526,00.html

As for the Church, they'll find a way. They've worked with an Isalmic relief agency in the past using supplies from the Church and planes from the relief agency. If they did something like that where the supplies didn't come in one US military planes, I bet they could get in eventually.


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The Burmese government is allowing them in the country to help? 

The international community is growing increasingly frustrated with the junta's lack of progress in granting visas for relief workers and giving clearance for aid flights to land.

This is from cnn.com.  It is disgusting that the government is red-taping relief.

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From the foxnews article I just linked:

YANGON, Myanmar   Relief supplies from the United Nations began arriving in Myanmar Thursday, but U.S. military planes loaded with aid were still denied access by the country's isolationist regime five days after a devastating cyclone.


So, some stuff is getting in. Even if they aren't letting anyone in to distribute it. What a horrible mess.

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They've updated the article: A U.S. official said the U.S. considering air-dropping aid to victims even without permission from the military government.



That might be a passable idea if all else fails.


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Imperial America!  Trying to overrule the government to provide aid to the needy! 

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From what I can tell, the "Myanmar government" is a military general who killed another military general who staged a coup against the crappy civilian government that did the best it could after it gained independence from the British empire.

The place used to be called Burma, and it's #2 in the list of the world's opium producers, right behind Afghanistan.



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So, they're afraid to let in anyone from the outside for fear of being overthrown? 

disbelief.gif  That's why I can't be a dictator or overlord.  If I need food, I'm asking for help from anyone and I'll let them in. 

Just a disgusting and horrific situation.

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Ok, thanks LM. I'm like "Myanmar? Why haven't I heard of this place before?"

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354665,00.html

And it's getting worse....

The U.N. is suspending aid shipments to Myanmar after the government began seizing the supplies.

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I was just fittin' to post that, hic. 

This just sickens me.  The complete and utter depravity of the government/military by refusing to aid the people. 

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It's sick. They are willing to let over a million hungry homeless people just starve and get sick from lack of sanitation or clean water. It seems like they are trying to force someone to come invade.

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Which begs the question: Just how many people does this military government have to endanger, how many people would need to die needlessly before it would be okay to go in there forcefully?

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Not that I think that's even close to being the next step now. I'm just what-if-ing.

I'm also beginning to wonder if air-drops would even be effective if the goverment ran around taking stuff back from the people. I wonder if the government doesn't want people to get relief from any other source besides the goverment. What's painfully obvious is that helping their own people isn't tops on their priority list.

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They're not thinking things through. If their people die off en masse, who will be left for them to rule?

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UN halts aid to Myanmar after junta seizes supplies

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90I5NP00&show_article=1

YANGON, Myanmar (AP) - Myanmar's junta seized U.N. aid shipments headed for hungry and homeless survivors of last week's devastating cyclone, prompting the world body to suspend further help on Friday. The U.N. said the aid included 38 tons of high-energy biscuits and arrived in Myanmar on Friday on two flights from Bangladesh and the United Arab Emirates.

"All of the food aid and equipment that we managed to get in has been confiscated," U.N. World Food Program spokesman Paul Risley said. "For the time being, we have no choice but to end further efforts to bring critical needed food aid into Myanmar at this time."



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From a journalist who snuck into Myanmar: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/09/rivers.btsc/index.html

Now out of Myanmar, Rivers said on Friday his experience raises the question: If the government is chasing down a journalist reporting on a natural disaster, what kinds of problems are aid workers facing?


"The whole country is kind of a basket case," Rivers said. "Combine that with a disaster on this scale and a government that won't let anyone in -- they're turning a bad situation into ... what really is criminal negligence on a massive scale."



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And now:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354857,00.html

Myanmar's military regime distributed international aid Saturday but plastered the boxes with names of top generals in an apparent effort to turn the relief effort for last week's devastating cyclone into a propaganda exercise.

"It is not going to areas where it is most in need,"


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And from time.com:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1739053,00.html?cnn=yes

"Is it Time to Invade Burma?"

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hiccups wrote:

And now:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354857,00.html

Myanmar's military regime distributed international aid Saturday but plastered the boxes with names of top generals in an apparent effort to turn the relief effort for last week's devastating cyclone into a propaganda exercise.

"It is not going to areas where it is most in need,"


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 That's actually not a new tactic. When communist Ethiopa was having their famine (come on, everyone here remembers the Ethiopian famine, right?) The US shipped food aid there. The Soviet Union intercepted it and relabeled it in the local language as coming from their comrades in the Soviet Union.



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This is not the first time in my life time that the powers that be in certain countries have interfered with distribution of relief aid rather obviously to their own advantage and for their own purposes.  It's tough to ascertain what is really happening without being on the ground there, as the news media usually injects its own bias in any report.  

This event has caused me to think again about how many LDSs would react if, in the event of the unavailability of food, etc, government authorities initiated the confiscation for redistribution of food stored by those LDSs who have followed the Prophet's admonitions to store food in quantity.  Think it couldn't happen?      

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There's no use trying to fight something like that, is there?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080511/ap_on_re_as/myanmar_abandoned_bodies


Things are just going to get worse:

Bloated bodies litter Myanmar, forgotten after the cyclone

ON THE PYAPON RIVER, Myanmar - As the bloated bodies rise and fall with the current, women scrub clothes along the river bank, villagers bathe to cool themselves and a lone child sits on a dock staring aimlessly into the water.

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But with little aid getting through to desperate cyclone survivors, the dead have largely been forgotten left to decay where the brackish waters carried them or waiting to be pulled out to sea by the rising tides.

"The first few we saw, we were all very shocked," said U Pinyatale, a monk from the area who has prayed for the dead. "After a while, there were just too many."

More than 50 bodies can be spotted in just three hours on the river. Many have turned white as they float entwined in mangrove trees, where they remain lodged. The smell of dead fish permeates the humid air as dozens of small boats ferrying roofing supplies and rice navigate around the corpses, but no one seems to notice.

"In some areas there are 5,000 bodies in waterways, stuck in fields and in the trees," said Craig Strathern, spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross in Yangon, Myanmar's biggest city. "We've got a combination of seriously traumatized people themselves who are concentrating on their basic survival."

Cyclone Nargis left nearly 62,000 people dead or missing. The U.N. estimates at least 1.5 million have been severely affected in the military-run country, with many of them still struggling to receive rations of food and clean water.

Body removal remains difficult because some of the worst-hit areas are located in remote villages crisscrossed by a spider web of rivers and canals. Another big setback revolves around the ruling junta's refusal to open the door to international aid workers, forcing agencies operating in Myanmar to rely on their limited local staff members for all relief work.

The situation differs greatly from the 2004 Asian tsunami, which killed nearly 230,000 people. In worst-hit Banda Aceh, Indonesia, bodies were a top priority early on, driven largely by Muslim tradition that calls for burying the dead within the first day. Corpses were dumped in mass graves as big as football fields, with aid workers, soldiers and volunteers all working together.

During the same crisis in Phuket, Thailand, emphasis also was placed on ensuring bodies were taken to refrigerated areas where they were kept for identification.

"What's often overlooked is the fact that people do want to find the dead and give them a proper burial, and it's important," said Eric Stover, lead author of a critical report published last year about Myanmar's broken health system.

"What happens with those relatives or those who survive, they can also go into this kind of limbo world thinking their (family members) are dead but not actually knowing until they have the funeral."

Bodies are cremated or buried in different parts of Myanmar. It is essential for Buddhist monks to chant and pray for the dead on the first day. The funeral typically occurs on day three, and on the seventh day a religious ceremony is held where prayers and chants continue to ensure the soul moves on. Otherwise, wandering ghosts can remain.

The monk, Pinyatale, said some people simply want the bodies to be sucked out to sea because they believe if someone touches them, that person will be cursed with bad luck and haunted by the unsettled spirit.

"People are scared. Some people hear voices from the river at night: 'Help me! Help me!'" he said. "But when people walk to the river, there is nothing there."

The carcasses of dead livestock, such as buffalo, also have not been removed from areas in the low-lying delta where entire villages were leveled by the May 3 storm, which packed 120-mph winds and 12-foot-high storm surges from the sea.

Stover, from the School of Public Health at the University of California, Berkeley, said the military is often best at helping identify bodies in massive natural disasters because they are trained to do so for war. But he said his contacts who have visited the worst-hit areas say they have seen no soldiers helping to remove corpses.

"There may be cases were neighbors came back and because of the tidal surge, the bodies were dispersed," he said. "It's gonna be difficult. That's the real crisis here."



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This is starting to sound like one of those "last days" prophecies...

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/13/myanmar.aid/index.html

Allegations that the goverment of Burma is holding back the best of the cyclone aid for themselves and handing out rotting food.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/13/myanmar.journalists.ap/index.html

And yet the government still has plenty of energy to devote towards harrassing journalists.




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I hate to put on the tinfoil hat, but I tend to think it is not about being overthrown, but if the government allows so many of these people to die, it is less to deal with, less mouths to feed, I don't think that there is an overwhelming concern for their own people, they are expendable.

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Absolutely. I tend to think they are just horribly selfish and this is what happens when that is in power.

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Makes you thankful to live here, doesn't it? Even with all our problems...

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