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Post Info TOPIC: Lawmaker wants to make what we are doing right now illegal.


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Lawmaker wants to make what we are doing right now illegal.


That is posting on the internet anonymously.

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According to the bill we should have our full name, street address, and e-mail address attached to anything we contribute. Arbilad would have to pay a fine of $500 or $1000 for each case someone doesn't.

This is incredibly stupid. I don't think it would go anywhere, but it still concerns me.

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As if there aren't enough problems with identity theft.

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Lawyers in general are idiots and should be avoided like broccoli and poisonous snakes. Present members of bountiful excluded.

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I sure hope this law does not pass. Being online and having my identity secret helps me feel safe. My parents do not as a general rule let me tell my full name to online friends. This even includes a friend who has been a Relief Society President. There have been a couple of exceptions. They let me tell my crush of three years my name. Maybe they were hoping that he would marry me and take me off their hands.

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Kentucky Representative Tim Couch has some incorrect but very common notions about how gubbermint can make our lives better.

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Wow. Sounds like it's a response to that Internet bullying case where the girl committed suicide. I think there is an advantage to being able to find out someone's identity in the case of harrassment, slander, or other behavior that would be proscribed in ordinary print media. But I would not want to have my name, address and email attached to every Internet post! Good grief.

Maybe if there was a way to write a bill so that you could identify someone if they're being outrageous, that would be okay. But for normal posting, leave the anonymity in place. Just to avoid the junk mail, if nothing else!

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Janey: what is the legal recourse for when something like internet bullying occurs? If someone receives offensive PMs or threatening emails, for example. Especially when there's little evidence from whom it occurs, and such?

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Turn off the computer. Internet bullying can only happen if the computer is on.

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I don't think that this would solve internet bullying. Bullying occurred in person before the internet existed, so lack of anonymity wouldn't solve anything. And besides, it's the website operator who would pay if someone used a false name and address when signing up. That's just plain stupid, in my opinion.
Basically, if this bill becomes law, and they try to enforce it on everyone whose website is available in Kentucky (that is, everyone who operates a web site), then I will shut this site down. If there is even a small chance that I would wind up being liable because someone signed up with a false name and address, I would rather close the board than face that potential liability.

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Janey: what is the legal recourse for when something like internet bullying occurs? If someone receives offensive PMs or threatening emails, for example. Especially when there's little evidence from whom it occurs, and such?
I don't know of any recourse.  In fact, I don't even know the laws about stalking on the Internet.

There would be evidence about who sent it though.  It takes some real computer savvy to completely cover your tracks.  A bill saying that a website has to disclose the registration info and meta-data for a person who has been sending threats or slandering someone would be fine by me.  I would not want the website held responsible if the offending person provided false information, though.  But in my limited understanding of how computers work, gurus can trace a registration to an IP address and find out quite a bit of real identifying info, even if the person provided a false name at registration.  Once you have an actual person, then the ordinary laws can take over (and there will be some fascinating jurisdictional issues depending on where the parties are physically located).

The disclosure should be limited to crimes like harrassment and actionable slander.  Otherwise, it would just become a counter-harrassment technique.  The legislation would have to be written very carefully.  This Kentucky bill is way too sloppy to do any good.

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Technically you can track down a lot, but practically it can be pretty difficult. Each time you connect to a website, the computer running the website writes down the unique address that your computer is using. However, most computers connecting to the internet share addresses. It would sort of be like if each time you call someone, you are assigned a telephone number for that call. Caller ID wouldn't be of much help in determining who called you because the number would be different each time.
You can track the unique address back to the Internet Service Provider that it is assigned to, and they can check their server logs and see who was using what address at which time. It's a pain, though.
You can also access the internet from an internet cafe, where you have a certain degree of anonymity. But I would be surprised if internet cafes didn't keep records of who used what computer at what time.
Or, of course, you could do it from a library. They typically keep sloppy records of who used what computer.
The type of "covering your tracks" that Janey is talking about involves routing your request through one or more intermediaries, thus making it harder to track down the real culprit. If you have access to a network of zombie computers (computers that have been taken over by a virus) you can have them originate the requests, and thus make it pretty hard to track the connection back to its source.

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Thanks for the technical summary, arbilad. I did not know most of that.

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Of course this sort of law would only apply to servers in the U.S. so the effect would be everyone migrating to an overseas site to host their blogs and forums. I wonder if the Soverign Nation of Sealand is still available. You could run this thing from there Arbi!

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Actually, as far as I know, Activeboard is based in Canada. So you're posting on a Canadian server, eh?

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I don't feel clean anymore knowing that Arbi. Thanks!

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It's all part of our jack-booted plan to come in and take y'all over.

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I knew it!

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I never saw the Jack Boots coming. I was distracted by all the flannel.

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I hope you like hockey, Jason.

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And maple syrup. thumbsup.gif

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What was that eh?

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