Results of Iowa Caucuses

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Results of Iowa Caucuses

arbilad · Head Chef

Coco will be overjoyed with Huckabee's win.
i must admit I had hoped that Ron Paul would at least make a better showing. But we'll see how the primary goes in New Hampshire.

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

Drat. Oh well, Abraham Lincoln didn't win the Iowa Caucuses either.

--Ray

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

He's popular with the Mormon-haters, but Huckafreak is done by the end of New Hampshire. DONE.

Duke of Mirth · Profuse Pontificator

arbilad wrote:

Coco will be overjoyed with Huckabee's win.
i must admit I had hoped that Ron Paul would at least make a better showing. But we'll see how the primary goes in New Hampshire.

Honestly, I had hoped that Ron Paul would do better. It would have forced the other candidates to at least address some of the conservative issues that only Paul seems to be embracing.

I worry how much of the Huckabee vote was anti-mormon. I am hoping it is a small percentage of his numbers. If he won the victory as the anti-mormon candidate then that is a sad commentary in itself.

Cat Herder · Understander of unimportant things

Well, if Ron Paul pulled in 10% of the caucus results, that still is nothing to sneeze at, even if it is a distant fifth place as far as plurality of votes in the caucus.

I still can't say Huckabee in my mind without giggling at a mental image of Marty Feldman calling his name much like he did Blucher in Young Frankenstein.

I read somewhere this past week that should Huckabee do well across the board (as opposed to just a couple states due to the evangelical scare vote tactic to prevent a mormon from getting the nomination), it pretty much means the end of the Reagan era of Republican coalition power, and kind of ensures the splintering of the Republican Party. I think the reasons cited (and I wish I could still remember the article so I could link it for folks) was because Huckabee's stance on things are far, far more liberal than Reagon on most issues, and can in most instances be more easily identified as a Democrat in actual political practice with the exception of his evangelical beliefs.

Although, I think what we have seen in both parties with so many different candidates vieing for their party's nomination is a splintering of both major parties from a broad coalition into smaller coalitions united under party name only.

arbilad · Head Chef

Huckabee's politics are scary. Someone else posted an article on Bountiful a while back about the sheer number of liberal things he did while governor of Arkansas.
And, of course, the anti-mormon thing is scary too.

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

What's the caucus even supposed to do? Just something for the media to talk about? It's not really a primary or is it? And isn't there something about if your vote doesn't land on someone with at least 10%, you lose it or something?

Jen · Senior Bucketkeeper

You couldn't pay me to vote for Huckabee. I don't know if Obama is less scary than Hilary or not.

How hard is it to gain citizenship in Canada? :p

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Let's keep it real, Jenny. If I mailed you a $20 you'd vote for Huckanut in a heartbeat.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

Maybe she'd just tell you she would.

dianoia · Senior Member

How hard is it to gain citizenship in Canada? :p

Well, first of all, you kinda have to move here.

Except U.S. politics have a huge impact on our country, so you wouldn't really be avoiding the problem. You just wouldn't be able to vote.

-- Edited by dianoia at 14:32, 2008-01-04

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

Don't I need a passport, now, as well? to get to canada, I mean?

dianoia · Senior Member

Honestly, I'm not sure.

I need one now to get into the States, but that's your gov't, not mine. I'm not sure if ours turned around and said, "Oh yeah? Well right back at ya."

Although I have no problem with the tighter security y'all have asked for. It's perfectly reasonable to protect your borders.

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

I think that's exactly what happened, di. Which I find interesting... given all the conspiratorial claims of weakened soverignty and dissolving borders.

We were exploring ideas of family trips. We considered hopping up to British Columbia while we're in Seattle this summer... but at $100 per passport, I'm afraid that little side trip is out of our family's budget.

Edit: I just checked, and it isn't that Canada requires the passport, but if I want to re-enter the U.S. , I need a passport. Different reason, same result.

Oooh... on further scrutiny, the passport is only required for Air travel. If I drive across the border, I need a driver's license and birth certificate. That's more reasonable.

Except some other information further down on the stupid page seems to contradict that. Sheesh. That's government for ya.

-- Edited by bokbadok at 15:07, 2008-01-04

-- Edited by bokbadok at 15:10, 2008-01-04

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

I was looking into Niagara Falls - didn't even occur to me there'd be a passport/border issue with Toronto or something... glad this was brought up.

hiccups · Future Queen in Zion

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

Here's some info on traveling to Canada from the US.

dianoia · Senior Member

Interesting. It hadn't occurred to me that the tighter security in entering the States applied to U.S. citizens as well.

Roper · Senior Bucketkeeper

Huckabee won't do as well in New Hampshire. I expect McCain and Romney will emerge as the front-runners. Ron Paul should also do well--probably come in third. There are a whole lot of Libertarians in New Hampshire. That would be great if Ron Paul came out ahead of the Huckster. Also interesting that in Iowa, more women voted for Obama than for Clinton.

Man, I hope Huckabee doesn't gain the nomination. That essentially equates to Clinton or Obama as our next president.

-- Edited by Roper at 19:24, 2008-01-04

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

Trust me, roper. Can't you just trust me? When have I ever been wrong?

Huckadink is HISTORY. Forgotten. Like Ferraro and Mondale. Over. Howard Dean over, dude.

bokbadok · Senior Bucketkeeper

Dianoia, the point is that US citizens have to prove they're citizens... and need a passport to do that. I guess.

The democrats would love for Huckabee to get the nomination. And to be honest.... I'd consider voting for Obama if it came to that. Don't think I could vote for Clinton though. There's not a whole lot of difference between Clinton and Huckabee from an ethics standpoint. I might just go third party if those were the choices. Surely that won't happen. I'm just cynical enough to think that it could.

Fregramis · Senior Member

Wouldn't it be funny if it was a Huckabee vs Obama in a National Election and Utah became the Florida of 2000 and the state tipped the election to Obama?

-Much (but not all) of the stigma with the Priesthood ban on African descendents would be nullified..

-It would be poetic justice to the evangelicals who trashed Romney early in the race and took the GOP Mormon vote in Utah for granted..

I know.....Highly improbable but just fantasizing of the scenario brings a grin to my face.

Mahonri · Senior Bucketkeeper

... that would be awesome...

but Obama as President?

Are we all getting ready to get twinkled?

rayb · Hot Air Balloon

I had a dream two nights ago, that Hillary Clinton came to a Craft making committee I was on for the church. I had to erase a lot of stuff I'd written in my notebook about her, but when she arrived it was no big deal.

I'm thinking now that I've had this dream, I might have to vote for Hillary... especially if Huckerbee gets the nomination. :)

--Ray

Cocobeem · Keeper of the Holy Grail

You can't read signs worth a dang, ray.

Obviously, you need to concentrate on the erasing. Why did you erase it? Fear? You know what happens when people are motivated by fear, don't you?