Personally, I don't have any problems if consenting adults want to beat eachother. My friends and I did our own fight night one year a few days before christmas. I used to fight almost weekly in karate. I gotta tell you it was a real rush. After a few years though I started punching and kicking in my sleep which made my wife really nervous. An injury forced me to stop training like that but even now a few years later I'll have these semi concious dreams which freak my wife out when I start attacking imaginary assailants.
But is it wrong to participate in something like a fight club? Fighting is one of the oldest sports. Greek Pancration and ancient far eastern arts used it for training for war and as a sport. What if anything should the church do about it? What can they do?
I don't think that the age of a thing says anything about whether it is good or not. After all, prostitution is a very ancient profession, but that doesn't make it good. I'm not sure about whether a fight club is acceptable or not. Obviously anything too violent or harsh is wrong. But not all fighting is about doing damage to each other.
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I don't really see anything different between a fight club and sparring at the dojo. Heck, my instructor is head pastor for his church and we mix it up.
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Hey, if he is southern baptist and knows yer mormon, Val, he may be considering that what he's doing as helping larn ya the right way to be christian by smackin' ya in the side of the head with his foot all Chuck Norris like.
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Sounds almost like a type of secret society. Praise be to Hollywood for glamourizing yet another thing that is adding to the degeneration of the younger generation...
By the way, Jason, how have Tomaccolatte brand tomacolate sales been at the fight club events?
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
I think Tomaccolatte makes em more aggressive in the cage! Our fight club marketing is spot on Cat!
On the topic of fight clubs. In the Silicon Valley the fight clubs have become very popular with the software geeks as of late. http://cbs5.com/seenon/2.443435.html
I think "fighting" for fighting sake is wrong, not fighting for sport sake (true wrestling, martial arts, etc.). If the purpose is to inflict bodily harm on the opponent, then it is not sport. It is fighting.
Fighting for self-defense is not wrong. Fighting to defend the king's sheep from wicked people who want to steal them is not wrong.
But geeks fighting is just wrong anyway you look at it...
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
I am a bit concerned about people who spend their whole lives learning to fight, maim, kill and destroy stuff... mostly cuz I expect that at a certain point in their lives, they will be disappointed if they don't actually succeed in doing so. :)
It's a bit like the poor fellow who spends his entire education learning some archaic and impractical skill that is so overspecialized that it never has a practical application.
--Ray
-- Edited by rayb at 14:01, 2007-11-20
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I've never had to use my martial arts training and am very grateful for it. I've known many military personell in the past who felt the same way. Like any preparedness, it is nice to be able to have confidence in yourself and know that if something did happen, you wouldn't just be a helpless victim.
I still remember my first time that I had to do some sparring. I was in my mid 20s and had only been training a few months. My instructor put me in the ring with a 15 year old girl who was a purple belt. She proceeded to kick me up one side and down the other. I just stood there in shock not really knowing what to do. It was a real eye opener and I've often wondered if I would have just stood there and become a victim had it been a real situation. That was the last and only time that happened. For every 15 minutes we sparred we spent probably 6 or more hours training just in movement and form. It was really a beautiful thing sometimes even amidst the violence as you learned to control your movement and reactions. As your body relaxed and began to flow with precision. Eventually, your body and mind became more in harmony. What was forced became a natural reflex. A punch thrown at you was blocked and countered in a sparring session without thought, as if it was as natural as breathing. It almost took on a spiritual dimension at times as all distractions were purged from your mind and you listened to the sounds of your own breathing. The Rambo types that want to use their skills never last long because they don't have the patience or the discipline.