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not let me keep making the same mistake.

tell me the truth no matter how bad it hurts.


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A True Friend will...

tell it like it is. And will still be there through everything. Through the good, the bad and ugly.
They will still love you no matter what. A true friend is also forgiving.

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Yeah, friends should be honest.  But not making the same mistake twice?  Agency is given to man for a reason.  You can counsel and persuade, but nothing a friend can do can prevent me from making the mistakes and choices I make.

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A true friend will not follow the poor example of someone else or follow the crowd simply to maintain what many term as "friendship". In other words, a true friend does not jump off the cliff because his or her "friend" does so.

A true friend is someone who has the intestinal fortitude to maintain his or her solidly grounded base instead of trying to re-engineer a paradigm as the waves of pop-philosophy crash about.

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...help me get the punch line RIGHT, when my jokes go all wrong... wink.gif I am a bad joke teller... but hubby always laughs with me after we figure OUT the joke anyway... what a TRUE, true, friend he is... He IS the BEST friend I could ever hope for...

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A true friend:
tells you when you have something in your teeth (or nose for that matter!)


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not let me keep making the same mistake.

I meant it more along the lines of what Cucumber said.

If I keep mispronoucing a word, for instance, I would want my friend to correct me so I don't keep looking like an idiot.

-- Edited by Roper at 16:39, 2007-09-02

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A true friend loves me warts and all.

A true friend, however, doesn't tell me I don't have warts when I do.

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A true friend calls you up as soon as he gets home and asks you if you want to come over and play, even though that very same day you and he had gotten into a big fight at school...

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Did you have a fight on the playground again Ray??? giggle.gif

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a true friend always has a big hug ready when you need it, and means it too!

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Good thoughts, here! I guess that I do not believe that people are unconditional in their love or that is requistite for friendship. I have started another thread to express those views so as not to make too much a derail here.

It is nice to have someone there in fair and foul weather!

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The hugging part, that is good for the demonstrative type. I have had trouble with hugging through the years for various reasons. But I hope I can be a friend in other ways.

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A True friend comes over and at risk of infestation, helps to picks headlice out of your kid's heads when your family's been quarantined by the local school.

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ICK!!! I am NOT, repeat not THAT good a friend... no.gif

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A true friend will not only help groom head lice, but will gleefully partake of the free source of protein. hungry.gifchew.giflaughing.gif

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EEEEEWWWWW!!!! GROOOOOSSSS!
I told him not to post that, but does he listen to me? Noooo.
He thought it was pretty funny. bleh.gif

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Roper wrote:

not let me keep making the same mistake.
tell me the truth no matter how bad it hurts.

Wholeheartedly agree with #2.  This is why old married couples are always mad at each other.  smile

But I'm not sure that friendship is about letting people do or not do stuff.  Surely, it's a duty of a friend to make right and wrong clear, and there are times when a good friend will intervene when someone has lost control.  But fixing people? I don't think that's always in the job description, because sometimes, saving someone from themselves doesn't result in a fixed person who is all better now.

People can benefit from your experience, your worldview, your advice, and your help.  But you can't alter someone else's character defect.

Question: Should you be friends with people with severe character defects?

LM



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LoudmouthMormon wrote:
Question: Should you be friends with people with severe character defects?

LM
That would have to be dependent upon the nature of the severe character defect, wouldn't it?  Each situation would need to be handled seperately, and hopefully with wisdom.

It is not the same as asking "Should you be friends with people with severe physical defects?"



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LoudmouthMormon wrote:

Question: Should you be friends with people with severe character defects?


I hope so. Otherwise I'd have no friends. biggrin.gif



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Was Christ friends with those who had severe character defects?

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I once heard that a true friend will roll you onto your stomach when you pass out drunk so you don't choke on your own vomit.

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And don't forget, friends don't let friends drive drunk. smile.gif

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LoudmouthMormon wrote:

Roper wrote:

not let me keep making the same mistake.
tell me the truth no matter how bad it hurts.

Question: Should you be friends with people with severe character defects?

Well, I ask the question, because it seems to paint quite an ugly and useless picture with Roper's first discussion points.  

IF
A true friend intervenes to prevent repeated mistakes, and always tells truth even when hurtful,
AND
a person with a severe character defect is someone who does bad/harmful/hurtful things over and over and over and over again and will likely never change,

THEN
What does this friendship look like?

Yes, we all have defects.  I'm talking severe character defects - as in preferred lifestyles of abuse, adultry, or addictions.  Someone who cannot tell the truth to save their lives.  Someone who can always be trusted to try to rob you blind.  I'm thinking we all know, or at least are aquainted with, someone with such defects.  But just guessing here, I'd say few or none of us would consider ourselves "close friends" with them.

So, since we're dwelling in the land of 'should' here, should we go seek them out and befriend them?  They're easy enough to find.  Prisons, soup kitchens, AA meetings, and sex-offender programs routinely feature them.  I suppose you can also find them in certain places where the elite meet, but I'm just sticking with places I have first or secondhand direct experience with.

LM
(And no, I'm not pointing to people who have ever been to prison/homeless/is a recovering alcoholic/is a sex offender, and saying they all have character defects.)



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LoudmouthMormon wrote:
But fixing people? I don't think that's always in the job description

 

Fixing people? I think it's absolutely the defining characteristic of true friendship.  As long as it's done in accordance with the principles in D&C 121.

 



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And it's my secret scheme to get Cat fixed... biggrin.gif

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As long as it's done in accordance with the principles in Neuteronomy... biggrin

Here kitty kitty kitty

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rofl.gif

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rayb wrote:

And it's my secret scheme to get Cat fixed... biggrin.gif

--Ray




Yeah, I've been meaning to get the Cat neutered. laughing.gif

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Touch me and you die!

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Remember, cats have claws...

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Just bait the Cat carrier with Cat nip and lock him in. The vet can do the rest. biggrin.gif

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holy catnip!!!! Batman... Talk about a train derailment!!! giggle.gif

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True friends derail your threads...

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True friends will protect me from all harm, evil, and accident!

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True friends would tell you to schmooze your wife to erase those emasculating thoughts from her mind.



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True friends will go down to the costume shop, buy a Mr. Incredible costume, don it, and be my body double, taking the fall for me willingly and with copious amounts of gratitude -- should Ray or Poncho's evil twisted plan ever come close to fruition.

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Amen. I think we've finally reached the core true friendship...

NO. It's not the Lord's scripture "Greater love hath no man than he give his life for another... "

No... It's even more deep than that...

...it's...

True friends get Neutered for you...

Only in Bountiful could we come across this pearl of great price...

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Speaking of fruit, MrHic is always cracking up over the "fruit of my loins" references in the BoM. So, Cat, I find your use of the word "fruition" kinda funny given the context. giggle.gif

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rayb wrote:
True friends get Neutered for you...

Only in Bountiful could we come across this pearl of great price...

I hope nobody minds if I, um, slowly easy my way into friendship with you people.  wink

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I was just wondering yesterday if Clifford was neutered. confuse.gif

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He'd have to have been.

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rofl.gif   (I would prefer :roflrotd:)

Boy, I sure missed out by not visiting this thread before!  Cat just defined himself right out of being a true friend with me!  wink biggrin

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keep me company online when I am bored... hello????????

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help me overcome my Bountiful addiction. biggrin.gif



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now... WHAT FUN would that be???

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Oh alright. A true friend will... tell me if my fly is undone.

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...trade me for my peanut butter sandwich... (I DISLIKE peanut butter, immensely... except in cookies, which I can't have...)

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Sorry Polly that you can't have cookies. There is a list of food that I want in the Celestial Kingdom and cookies are definitely on the list.

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BTW Ponch... whisper.gif yu'r fly is undone...

-- Edited by PollyAnna at 11:08, 2007-09-07

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