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Hot Air Balloon

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Disney Family Values...


While I'm busy bashing Disney...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200708/CUL20070816c.html

Perhaps Coco can watch the new show and let us know if it's gonna be as bad as this article claims...

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"The original story, viewed by 8 million people, is about a high school basketball star and his brainy girlfriend who overcome the school's cliquish atmosphere."

When thinking about things Disney, I pretty much expect to find stuff like this to be the pinnacle of their moral opining. Well that, and white Americans are bad.

HSR

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Just about the time I think... "maybe it wouldn't be so bad to have some 'good family programing' on a limited TV signal...?" Then I see something like this and realize I absolutely do not want all this stuff being piped into my home, willy-nilly... We'll stick with movies and shows that are carefully screened for content and language... Thanks guys for reminding me YET AGAIN, why we got rid of the TV signal...

Also Ray... my kids didn't even get through the whole 1st season of Smallville before they lost interest... They went back to Lucy, Mary Tyler Moore and a few other campy ones... We are the original "Weirdsville" family...

But then, just cause I love to cross threads... My daughter at almost 20 dresses modestly (even though she is TALL and it is hard to find clothing... she manages just fine...) And Son1 was drawn to his new Sweetee because she also dresses like a Daughter of God. They are both stylish AND modest... And their happy faces radiate their values. smile.gif

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hmm, I've avoided Disney for a while. Yes, there is the factor that MANY families mindlessly let their children watch Disney because 'it's G and it's animated so it has to be okay.' But the big reason was The Little Mermaid. I liked it at first, but then I realized that it espoused 1. Crushes at 16 are 'true love' and if you don't get them you will be, and I quote, 'miserable for the rest of your life.' 2. Love is based PURELY on looks. She fell in love with him on sight alone, and he fell in love with her though she couldn't speak. 3. Children with strong wills should of course disobey their parents because they 'know better' -- especially when it comes to 'true love.' 4. Parents, when they give 'unreasonable demands' on their children, should repent in sackcloth and ashes, give up their own lives, and even put the lives of thousands of others in dire jeopardy to make sure their child doesn't have to suffer the direct consequences of her own actions.

I was appalled. I vowed then and there that I would never have that movie in my house. And upon reflection of other Disney movies, I'm not so keen on them, either.

I think my years of being childless are going to make my strict television rules for children hard to enforce. :-/

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I have no desire to watch teenage sex, illicit drug use, drinking or profanity. This would fail the cocomovie rating system. Temple-worthy priesthood brethren "doing their duty" is a different story...

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Right on Dyany! Just look at Porkahontas and what it promoted! Those darn Indians and their casinos!!!

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As for The Little Mermaid, I didn't like what happened to the sea witch's boobs when she rolled over on her back... we don't own this movie. pray.gif

But I might buy September Dawn! headbang.gif

-- Edited by Cocobeem at 15:07, 2007-08-17

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Hey, what about Sleeping Beauty???!! The Prince conquers the forces of evil with the Sword of Truth and the Shield of Virtue!

And there are many examples of selflessness: the King and Queen send their baby daughter away to protect her, the three good fairies swear off magic to help keep Aurora safe, and Prince Phillip is willing to give up his kingdom for the love of a "peasant girl."

Not to mention, it has the best artistic style and music (straight from Tchaikovsky) of any of Disney's films!

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Shiz, I'm with you on THAT one... Sleeping Beauty is our favorite...  We also like a few others... Beauty & the Beast, Snow White... Cinderella... We are as others mentioned picky about the messages espoused, in all movies... I don't discount all Disney, any more than I discount everything most other Film Companies, I am just pickier than all get out.    weirdface

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Besides Malefocent is by far the very best disney villain ever created... She was just so commanding, and powerful... and well... with the exception of that whole tiny exposing your heart to a guy with a magic sword, she was pretty crafty... that and she reminded me of my mother (kinda looked like her too, though my mom always had the ball-hairdo, rather than the horns.)... :)

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So, ray, what you're saying is you never suffered from an oedipus complex, right? wink.gif

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Yeah, well Sleeping Beauty is an excellent Disney film. I agree. But how many years ago was it made? And how many other Disney films of the same quality followed? Not a whole lot. Oh! and Coco Cat and I are with you on the Little Mermaid. We don't own it either, but for an entirely different reason.
We thought the movie subtely promoted that its ok for young girls to defy their parents and everything will be honky dorry in the end. You were disobedient, but that's ok, you still end up with everything you wanted.
Nope don't think so.

As for High School Musical? We have a 10 year old who is totally nuts about the movie and who absolutely couldn't wait for the sequel to come out. Our 15 year old likes it too and especially likes the music to it, but isn't completely gaga. Although she was a little bummed because she missed the premiere of the sequel because she was at Girl's Camp, she said that there were alot of girls at camp who were really upset.
All in all it's not a bad movie. Maybe I just get annoyed because its the latest fad that young girls and teenagers seem to be obsessed about.

And Ray, after reading that article you linked to, that explains alot about ABC Family. I couldn't figure out why it was promoting itself as a family oriented channel, yet they constantly show movies and shows that are low quality, sleezy and definitely not geared towards young children and families.

I also noticed when the 700 Club would come on there would be a quick little claim saying: The Following show does not necessarily reflect the views of ABC Family.
It doesn't say that anymore. Now it says: The following does NOT reflect the views of ABC Family.

Interesting. The one show that channel does air (only because they have to) that has any values at all to it is the one they put a disclaimer in front of. No, they'd rather promote the sleazy stuff.


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I think the greatest thing our family chose to do while we still had infant toddler children was to get rid of the boobtoob altogether, what we watch is what we rent.

My kids are pretty oblivious to "commercial teevee trends" because of this, especially anything that has to do with commercials as they NEVER watch them.

The other day I had to force my child away from the teevee to come with me to the store. After she got in the car, I explained how she'd hurt my feelings by not wanting to go to the store with me, preferring to watch Teevee. She turns eleven in a couple months. I told her, "WHen you get to be an adult, you can buy that movie and watch it again and again... it's a good movie (It was Disney's Incredibles, ironically), but you won't be able to buy your dad. You only get so much time with your Dad." This struck a chord with her, and after some silent contemplation she apologized and opened up sharing some of her fears that she's facing now that she's growing up... it was really wonderful.

I'm grateful for these little inspiring moments we have together because we're not all stuck to the teevee or the computer... and that said, I think I need to curb my obsession with message boards... :)

--Ray


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The Incredibles is another pretty good one, IMO. So is Finding Nemo. Actually, the stuff coming out of Pixar has been of higher quality than the other Disney fare.

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Pixar is the only thing that has kept Disney alive as far as children's movies. Don't know if we should praise Steve Jobs for keeping it alive or call him a sellout for having sold / merged Pixar completely into that fallen, depraved Disney prostitot mouseketeer empire...

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The problem Disney faced a few years ago (when I worked for them, actually) was that they didn't make enough money to remain competative and were nearly bought out by Comcast digital. That would've been a HUGE disaster for any hope of getting family programming, because Comcast is like a huge porn money making machine... and they were buying Disney to try to give themselves a little credibility in the market of family values... So of course Disney in an attempt to be profitable has done the least creative yet most dependable thing it can... turned to the Natural Man values channel...

No biggie, but ultimately when your main ambition is to make money, no matter how you justify it, you sell yourself short... and lose your soul...

--Ray


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