Have you ever watched a movie or television show that you really enjoyed, but then after some time discovered some thing about the show or an innuendo that you weren't streetwise enough to catch, and it completely ruined the movie for you? It went from enjoyable to you can't stand it?
I'm not talking about shows that your kids watch a thousand times and you just get sick of them, but the ones in which it attempted to be something it wasn't and you got suckered by it... Or a movie or show that appears wholesome on the outside, but inside the message is just wrotten... Or maybe you liked it when you were a kid but when you go back and watch it now, you find it's full of stuff that you'd be embarrassed to show your own children?
If so what was that show and why?
Here's one of my entries... I'll post more later... :)
Wonder Woman (the TEEVEE show) I got the first season of this show on DVD. Prior to watching it, besides all the lovely running scenes with Lynda Carter, which I don't really object to... though probably should... the show is FULL of preachy feminist messages that really annoy me now, because they're so misleading.
--Ray
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
I remember once a number of years ago having my niece and nephew (both adults over 25) come to visit. We were telling them how much we enjoyed watching Sienfeld and wondered if they wanted to watch an episode with us.
I was embarrassed to tears. We shut if off after the first 10 minutes. (Master of Domain episode)
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There's a particularly nasty scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail that I totally didn't get as a kid, and the youth leaders would conveniently fast forward through...
--Ray
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
The sad thing is that the not-so-subtle gets passed over as well because it "has a good message". Like The Notebook...don't even get me started on that movie. I felt pretty rotten that I sat through it.
Anyway, I'm actually surprised at the stuff that we would watch as kids with our parents. Back when we were innocent, but they probably caught a lot of what was in it. Like the movie Xanadu. I love the music, but I pulled out the movie to watch it awhile ago and there was just so much...I don't really know how to describe it...disrespect to the human body, in the clothes and dancing that I was quite appalled and embarrassed that I wanted to show it to my friends.
Have you ever noticed that you pay far more attention to what is in a movie when you are showing it to someone? Sometimes I won't suggest a movie with a scene in it, simply because I don't want to advocate the watching of something inappropriate.
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Ordinary riches can be stolen, real riches cannot. In your soul are infinitely precious things that cannot be taken from you.
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Not so much a hidden message, but finding out stuff about the director and some actors that you didn't want to know. In the Director's version of 1776, the director's commentary reveals a lot about his politics that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And the actor who plays Benjamin Franklin is a communist. Also, they put back in a scene about how supposedly the conservatives didn't want independence. BTW, I'm using "conservative" to describe the modern political philosophy, not the meaning of the word where you want things to remain the same. Anyway, I love the movie 1776, so I'm never going to listen to the director's commentary again so as not to spoil the movie for me.
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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams
Glum: Exactly! I look back at many of the older shows and they were a lot more filthy than I remembered. Some of them I just wonder how I could tolerate them, or why my parents bothered let me watch them... like the Dukes of Hazzard, incompetent/corrupt police, for example... it was about bootlegging alcohol, civil disobedience and really really really short cutoff jeans and a middrift...
Arbi: I had that feeling with the movie Xmen, with the latent homosexual homophobic political overatures in it. Of course in the comics this was there too... a bit... but when Bryan Singer came out (he being openly gay) and stated he intended the movie to be a statement about how people treat gays, I was really annoyed by that.
--Ray
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
So this past week my twelve year old goes with his buddy to a movie. We like the actors and his buddies parents say the movie is good so we let him go.
He comes back with rave revues about how funny it was.
So last night my wife and I tell him we are going to go see the funny movie he saw the week before. He then gets this sheepish look on his face and says... well I guess I should have told you, but there are going to be a couple of parts that you guys aren't going to like.
Then we are wondering how his friends parents could have given it a thumbs up...
We came back from the movie sad.
There just aren't any movies you can watch in the theatre or even rent anymore that are decent.
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no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing... the truth of God will go forth till it has penetrated every website, sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done
Wonder Woman (the TEEVEE show) I got the first season of this show on DVD. Prior to watching it, besides all the lovely running scenes with Lynda Carter, which I don't really object to... though probably should... the show is FULL of preachy feminist messages that really annoy me now, because they're so misleading.
--Ray
Lynda Carter...droool......
She was on Smallville last week. She still looks fantastic!!!!!!
Mahonri: Meet the Robinsons was decent and had nothing overtly offensive in it. Occasionally there's a good movie, but you're right, it seems to get more and more rare.
--Ray
PS> Bad Jase!
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
Well, you could always couch it by saying something like "You know, that ________ (fill in blank with name of female actress) is quite the handsome woman..."
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
But then I remembered, you's a woman, so it has no meaning when used that way. That is what men would expect a woman to say about a man who is best reserved for the sunday paper fashion ads, and to expect a man to infer that means droolworthy just doesn't work.
But, a man saying that a woman is a handsome woman is kind of like discussing the nature of ogres and onions... it can include so many different layers of meaning... and we mens knows it...
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Have you ever watched a movie or television show that you really enjoyed, but then after some time discovered some thing about the show or an innuendo that you weren't streetwise enough to catch, and it completely ruined the movie for you? It went from enjoyable to you can't stand it?
We all remember "A Christmas Story", yes? Little Ralphie wanting his Red Ryder BB Gun and all that? Well, we got a copy of the DVD, and thought we were starting the family tradition over again by introducing our kids to it in December.
So.... the captions actually tell us all the stuff the dad is saying as he's swearing incoherently throughout the entire movie. My wife and I kept looking at each other - I don't know if we'll want that movie in the house once our kids can read.
Another - the movie Mystery Men. We love The Bowler, at least we did until we found out it was Janean Garofolo.
A couple months ago my mom wanted to treat my family to a movie. She took us to Happy Feet. It was a horrible experience from the sexually suggestive opening number to the heavy-handed contrived political message and incoherent plot features. I felt so badly for my mom, because she NEVER offers to take anyone to the movies, and she was trying soooo hard to be generous. Who would've thought Hollywood could completely screw-up a movie about dancing penguins!?
Groan...
--Ray
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
We need more movies like The Other Side of Heaven. What a great movie.... and so tastefully done.
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no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing... the truth of God will go forth till it has penetrated every website, sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done
Some think I'm odd for refusing to buy the first Shrek movie. I was appalled at a couple portions that were intended to be funny to adults and over the heads of the young ones. It was a very poor attempt to make a movie appealing to adults as well as kids. I can only stomach so much "adult humor".
The same goes for The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Disney. The evil Claude Frollo was just the wrong kind of evil for a kid movie.
Happy Feet was just...messed up. And to think it won an Oscar for Best Animated Picture.
It is difficult to write or create wholesome entertainment that both appeals to adults and children, but that contains nothing potentially destructive to children. Some would claim it's ridiculous to even try. I think that's why certain movies which are considered classics still hold their water after all this time...
Speaking of a movie that was good once when I didn't catch all the references, I recently watched the movie "Auntie Mame"? I used to love that movie, but now I can scarcely watch it, because it's full of liberal nonsense about how being a "free spirit" will bring you endless happiness and it mocks conservative values as being hypocritical and racist. There are a number of coy sexual and drug references which... of course I didn't catch when I was younger, but now can't help but notice.
--Ray
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
I have an awful confession to make, and I hope it doesn't get me banned from the board.
I liked Happy Feet.
Jeez - just typing those words makes me feel like I'm coming out of the closet. But it's true. I'm a happily married, covenentally sealed LDS guy with 2 kids, but I just really did honestly feel a bit of respect for that movie.
Oh, don't get me wrong. It was blatant homosexual propaganda from the time Mumble hatches from his egg. Like that wasn't enough, they had to add on a completely unnecessary 45 minutes of environmental "humans are killing the planet" garbage.
But I found some redeeming qualities - some themes I didn't expect to see coming from people that far left.
1- The "Great Guinn" (i.e. God) was a real, tangible being, who blessed the lives of his people. Quite surprising to see in this movie.
2- The head spiritual leader, who opposed Mumble and his dancing, did eventually change his tune and dance in order to save his people. Again surprising to see - he was cast as a good guy who was just wrong in his opinions.
I guess I'm just a big fan of charity, and saw some where I didn't expect it.
HSR, I did not see the movie but think I may enjoy it. Also, if it is talking about being okay for males to have more effeminate qualities, there is nothing wrong with that. Also, SSA is not wrong. It is just wrong if they act on SSA and give into feelings. People can read to much into things such as Teletubbies or Burt and Ernie.
There was a movie that I so loved in 8th grade that I saw as an adult woman with very different eyes. It was the popular musical Greece. I so related to the main character Sandy as I had changed schools in 8th grade. I was comfortable at my old school where I had gone for seven years and became very withdrawn upon entering my new school. I was also quite backwards for my age. I thought the ladies in Greece were so nice to take Olivia under her wings. That ratted perm was so neat. Don't get me wrong, I did not do at risk behavior in terms of drinking a smoking at that age or in high school. It was against my morals. When I see that movie now, I shudder that a beautiful refined woman is compromising her standards. It was sweet that he was trying to enter the Preppy world. They should have chosen that path together! Yes, alternate endings can make up for all the wrongs. :)
{carefully makes a black mark against HSR's profile for the triple infractions of defilement of "A Christmas Story", enjoying "Mystery Men", and revealing he liked "Happy Feet"} bwa ha ha! Yes, yes! All who do not give honor to The Great Ones and their music when something strange is afoot at the Circle K shall eventually get banned most heinously, like the short dead dude who ruled France! bwa-ha-ha
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
To tell you the truth the thing (as a writer type person) I hate most about Happy Feet is that it's very poorly structured as a story...
Explain for example the point of the leopard seal, for example. He chases the main character for one scene, he threatens them with a ridiculous accent "I know where you live..." suggesting that he's a big badguy, and then... POOF! We NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!?
The Skuas very much served the same purpose.
WHy was he even in the story at all!?
It's like the story was designed by committee... or the UN...
I'm also really frustrated and tired of stories about hypocritical out of touch religious and parental authority figures. I just don't think kids need to be fed that tripe.
--Ray
-- Edited by rayb at 12:40, 2007-04-25
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I'm not slow; I'm special. (Don't take it personally, everyone finds me offensive. Yet somehow I manage to live with myself.)
All very much valid points. I didn't think it was designed by the UN, I thought the director was sleeping with 3 or 4 different people at the time, and used the movie as a way to keep them all happy by cramming each lover's pet agenda into it. And if they ever saw each other, he'd have a problem on his hands, so he only had one in the studio at any given time.
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