If your intent is not to get involved but just to be shocked and horrified about the evil days we live in and the horrors our government is visiting upon us take it to Ornery or Bountiful. From the last comment made on a recently closed thread at Nauvoo. I don't see these as fightin' wurds, and I don't think anyone should take offfense, but I was curious, do we really come across as simply being people who sit around and complain, whine, etc. instead of actually doing things that are within our individual power? Or is that "high ground" of doing instead of talking about it reserved for those at Nauvoo?
Someone please personally invite Valhalla to come join us over here before he gets in trouble over there.
Interesting that the equally politically charged thread about Enlisting in the Military is still up and running, though...
ETA... FYI, if anyone is wondering, this was a thread called "Has everyone gone mad?!" Valhalla started today, and appears to have been deleted after being locked and my first mentioning it above. My thought is either something unpleasant went down over there, or someone reported back to Nauvoo that them renegades at Bountiful is dissin' us...
-- Edited by Cat Herder at 12:13, 2007-02-07
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."
Involvement is a difficult thing to measure. To a degree, for instance, any of us who have voted are involved in the political process. And that is a very important step. But it is insufficient by itself. The church has told us to be involved in the political process, to campaign for candidates we believe in, and perhaps even become candidates ourselves. Of course, that is easier said than done. I've only slowly been ramping up how much I do. I do talk a lot more than I actually do stuff. I think most of us are the same.
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My wife and I are heavily involved as mid-lever fundraisers for Mitt here in AZ.
This evening one good sister told my wife that Mitt didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of ever becoming president, but my wife just laughed and said, 'But we have to try. He is a good and honorable man.' I imagine the lady will write out a check for $4,600 before the month is over.
I don't know that we'll ever be able to become candidates but we have spend quite the chunk of change on the Romney exploritory committe and we are getting ready for his Feb. 13th announcement and his March 13th visit to AZ.
Can you imagine the missionary work this will generate?
It is worth it for that alone.
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"do we really come across as simply being people who sit around and complain, whine, etc. instead of actually doing things that are within our individual power?"
Actually, no. I think the moderator was a tad exasperated with Valhalla for starting yet another political thread after being asked not to. I think she posted that and mentioned both political sites to give us a plug.
We should thank her for the advertisement.
I think we should just drop it. They don't want to hear it. Let's leave it alone and let them all sit about in their knitting club and agree with eachother regarding unimportant topics.
I was astounded a couple weeks ago when Jana posted something that was blatantly false doctrine, and someone else thanked her for providing comfort. It bugs me when people take comfort from false doctrine, but that is all they want there: Warm fuzzies any way they can get them.
And we need to let them give them to eachother.
Let's just leave them in peace.
All is well in Zion and all that.
Psst, those are the Mormons, they think they're the only ones here.
I agree with Hoss, I thought it was nice of her to mention Bountiful along with Ornery. And heck, we'll take all the whackjobs we can get... Heck!! We put up with Arbi and his nonsensical third party stuff!
And we're awfully fond of the doomsayers and the fatalists... heck we have a whole section of this board dedicated to Signs of the Times... EDG is a sweety for mentioning us...
--Ray
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Thanks for the honest feedback guys. I realized last evening as I was at the temple with the youth for baptisms that maybe my initial post sounded like a rant or complaint or something less than complimentary to those folks over at Nauvoo.
I really don't hold a grudge against any of them (if anyone was wondering or thinking it). I was just hoping that for the benefit of all those who participate there, things were becoming better, but it doesn't look like it. It still appears what can be discussed there depends on who one is and, well to use perhaps a bit more precise language than Hoss did, what level of sycophant one is. I am indeed sorry if my saying that makes anyone wince.
For the record, I will probably throw my hat in the ring with Romney, and may even for the first time in recorded history actually join ranks and put some money towards it once the financial situation on the home front settles down. I was (remember the saying Hoss? ) "shocked and appalled" to hear some analyst on Hannity and Colmes saying last night that the only Republican candidate thus far who can say they have actually ever done anything and has a track record to prove it was Guliani... I'm thinking like "What? Excuse me? McCain has been a senator for x years and hasn't done a thing? Romney has been a governor for x years and hasn't done a thing, plus right wrong or indifferent was the poster boy for saving face at the Olympics? What exactly is Guliani's track record outside of NYC? How much of an impact does what he did in NYC have on the rest of us?"
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It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."